equality blooms with spring, pt. II

[diamond]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

we can agree that there are biological distinctions between heterosexual couples and homosexual couples.
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And that's what it's all about.

Here's an analogy:

Tibet is in China, and we all know Tibetans are different group than Chinese but not less then Chinese. I want the Tibetans to have the same rights as the Chinese.

That doesn't make me a bigot for understanding and distinguishing the differences of these 2 groups.

One shouldn't throw derogatory words around like, bigot, sexist, racist lightly, the same way people shouldn't use words like faggot and nigger and other derogatory terms.



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[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by diamond

And that's what it's all about.

Here's an analogy:

Tibet is in China, and we all know Tibetans are different group than Chinese but not less then Chinese. I want the Tibetans to have the same rights as the Chinese.

That doesn't make me a bigot for understanding and distinguishing the differences of these 2 groups.

what's the difference between a straight couple that does not have children and a gay couple that does?

the "difference," <>, is irrelevant when it comes to the value of a particular relationship.

[diamond]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

the "difference," <>, is irrelevant when it comes to the value of a particular relationship.

The point is no one is placing a value of those relationships, only acknowledging they're equal and but different.

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[BVS]

Originally Posted by diamond

The point is no one is placing a value of those relationships,

Um, yes actually many are...

[diamond]

Originally Posted by BVS

Um, yes actually many are...

Not the people here, who you inferred are bigots.

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[BVS]

Keep trying <>, you'll never get it...

[diamond]

I prefer clarity to confusion.

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[BVS]

That's a good goal

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by AEON

Martha, you seem rather upset most of the time. Perhaps it just the way you express yourself in this forum. I'm not making a value judgment, you can be angry - it just makes it more challenging to have a dialogue with you.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by diamond

Not the people here, who you inferred are bigots.

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you think that i'm not worthy of the status of marriage, that there needs to be a separate category because straights are better than not gays -- you see the need to distinguish yourself from me on the basis of our different (so you claim) sexual orientations.

[diamond]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

you think that i'm not worthy of the status of marriage, that there needs to be a separate category because straights are better than not gays -- you see the need to distinguish yourself from me on the basis of our different (so you claim) sexual orientations.

I think you're worthy to have the same status as marriage, however as we both know gays and straights are not the same only different; no group is superior-just as Tibetans and Chinese are different with neither group superior to each other, they happen to be not the same.

Therefore, since you are unique and have a partner of the same uniqueness that you want to share your life with, you should celebrate that union with a ceremony-symbolizing that commitment, similar and equal to marriage.

I think all straight people should be tolerant of this view point.

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[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by diamond

I think you're worthy to have the same status as marriage, however as we both know gays and straights are not the same only different; no group is superior-just as Tibetans and Chinese are different with neither group superior to each other, they happen to be not the same.

Therefore, since you are unique and have a partner of the same uniqueness that you want to share your life with, you should celebrate that union with a ceremony-symbolizing that commitment, similar and equal to marriage.

I think all straight people should be tolerant of this view point.





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indeed, separate but equal.

and thanks for tolerating me. i understand that it's big of straight people to put up with gay people.

[martha]

Originally Posted by diamond

Therefore, since you are unique and have a partner of the same uniqueness that you want to share your life with, you should celebrate that union with a ceremony-symbolizing that commitment, similar and equal to marriage.

Separate, but equal.

[diamond]

Originally Posted by martha

Separate, but equal.

Not quite.

I would say:

Separate and equally beautiful, only different.

[diamond]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

indeed, separate but equal.

and thanks for tolerating me.

you're welcome snuggles.

you're much easier than some self proclaimed straights here.



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[martha]

Originally Posted by diamond

Separate and equal

Now you've got it!

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

i understand that this is just a viewpoint, but tell me, what is a gay person supposed to do with his or her life?

I just wanted to say that, as a third party spectator to this conversation, this sentence really jumped out at me. I've never quite heard the argument phrased in this way. Theres a humanity here that should really reach people at the most basic of levels. Its at the same time profound and heart wrenching. If someone cant empathize with this, then there is something inherently wrong with them (not directed at any one of you). Anyway, I have nothing else to add. I just thought it was a beautifully sad statement.

as you were

[deep]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

separate but equal.

How is the Washington State ballot that just passed any way similar to
segregation and jim crow laws?

[nathan1977]

We're one, but we're not the same?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by diamond

I think you're worthy to have the same status as marriage, however as we both know gays and straights are not the same only different; no group is superior-just as Tibetans and Chinese are different with neither group superior to each other, they happen to be not the same.

Therefore, since you are unique and have a partner of the same uniqueness that you want to share your life with, you should celebrate that union with a ceremony-symbolizing that commitment, similar and equal to marriage.

I think all straight people should be tolerant of this view point.

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I'll say it again, one good thing that has come out of these debates, just like that of healthcare is that it has brought many conservatives at least closer to being right. Let's admit it, two or three years ago even the more "tolerant" conservatives were pushing for civil unions that were not even equal to that of marriage as far as rights go.

The world is moving forward, some are just slower than others...