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You really misunderstood Frank's quote.
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For example, there was a time in this thread where I thought Irvine was indicating there was no difference whatsoever between homosexual couples and heterosexual ones. Pointing out there is at minimum a biological difference seems elemental, but somehow it was not being conceded. Therefore, it was necessary to demonstrate this difference before we could go on to the comparison portion of the question. Another question floating around is about choice - whether human beings have the choice to be homosexual or engage in homosexual acts. I think I've made it obvious that I subscribe to a translation of the Bible that indicates that homosexual acts are immoral (i.e., bad choices). Combined with my interpretation of natural law, biology, and physical health - I have sufficient cause to think that homosexual acts are "wrong". Additionally, like most human activities, sexual acts are choices and I don't view "orientation" differently than any individual's battle to lead a moral life. We all have burdens and inclinations, some have more - some have less. However, out of respect for those that have called for a "secular" discussion - and the fact it has been covered already by both sides of the argument - I would like to table my personal opinion about homosexual activity (but if people are determined to have a religious-based discussion, there should probably be a separate thread for that). The main reason I would like to "table" my personal opposition is that I do realize that my opinion is only one in a sea of opinions. And more often than not, when we are discussing activity between two consenting adults, my opinions end where their freedom begins. Because of this, among other things, I have taken a rather libertarian view that the state should no longer be involved in the marriage process. The state should not have the burden\privilege of granting or denying marriages - especially when our society presently has no real consensus as to what marriage is (legal union of convenience, spiritual union for life, political arrangement, for as long as passion lasts...etc?). While I understand several of you think this is ridiculous and it could never be reversed - that doesn't mean I can't express the opinion that this is how it "ought" to be. Isn't that one of the main things we do in here - discuss the way things ought to be? Regarding the question about the current laws on marriage, and should they be extended to homosexual couples or polygamous arrangements - I oppose almost anything that would extend the state's grasp on our personal lives, included extending the umbrella of "marriage" further than it already has been extended. I hope this addresses the question(s) you are asking. In forums like this, or in any debate - it is far easier to ask the questions than to answer them. It seems that there is a bit of trend of people unwilling to post a full, well thought out opinion - choosing to deride the opposition instead of supporting their own ideas which of course, would open their stance to questions and scrutiny. |
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I do not call David Duke a bigot because I disagree with him, I call him a bigot because he is one... Surely you can see the difference? No? If not, no one can help you. |
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AEON, do you think there are other sins that do not have any standing in logic, well besides the levitical laws? Why do you think this is the only one?
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So people who favor Gay Civil Unions but also favor traditional marriage are similar to David Duke-bigots? And what do you call folks who oppose both Gay Marriage and Gay Civil Unions? <> |
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I would rather not “go down that path” because I do care for the feelings of people in here. Getting into a “nitty gritty” list of why I think homosexual acts are wrong will only hurt people and would be unproductive. I think it is sufficient to say that the information is out there – and you either accept it or reject it.
That being said – I do realize my conclusions are different from others and this matter involves two consenting adults. That is why I propose the state not be involved. |
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The way you addressed it bothers me.
Imagine if someone told you this: "AEON, it is not wrong to be heterosexual. In fact, God made you that way, so it can't be wrong. But if you decide to act on it, if you decide to pursue someone you're interested in, fall in love with that person and want to spend the rest of your life with that person, you are actively choosing to live in sin. So rather than try and find happiness in the companionship of a partner like most of us do, you must live the rest of your life resisting any urges to express your sexuality the way the rest of us do, because your sexuality may not be a sin, but expressing it is." Does that not, on any level at all, register to you as extremely irrational? As extremely unfair? Now imagine if someone used that justification to bar you from getting the same protections under the law for a committed, monogamous union between you and the love of your life. Now imagine if you did not believe in God and people still used that justification to deny you legal rights. |
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