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That's a POOR analogy... try again.
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Can we at least be fair here:
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Yes, you're right, that is a personal jab too. Still no need to respond in kind.
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![]() I was making the point that he's a straight guy worried about the impact of granting another group rights that he already has, much like the same group of guys worried about the same issues with a different group. To be fair, the guys were in control back in the 60s, whether we liked it or not. Pointing that out may touch a nerve, but it doesn't make it any less true. Most, if not all, of the anti-gay rights posters in this thread are men, worried about some imagined "social context" of granting gays and lesbians full rights as Americans. Again, it may be an uncomfortable truth. Yes, there are many women in that crowd in the US, but here, they're guys. If anyone can find me some examples of women leading the anti-civil rights movements in the 60s, I'll gladly retract any statements that somehow offend the men here, but most of them were men. |
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What's wrong with equal but different? Not different in a judgmental way but in a classificational way.
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I mean, seriously, INDY (and AEON, et al.) ... what is the problem with gay marriage? Why do you want it to be a union and not a marriage? Is there some difference there that's important, some distinction that matters? Something I'm missing here? I mean, you wouldn't so vehemently be against gays being allowed to marry unless there was something really dangerous about it happening, right? |
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There were some things (black-liberation, Marxism, Maoism) in the 60's civil rights movement that SHOULD have scared Americans back then. In fact, they STILL SHOULD scare Americans. Was one automatically a racist if they fought against any concept, idea or action, put forth in the name of civil rights in the late sixties? Are there any concepts, ideas or actions WE DID take or accept (with the best of intentions) that, in hindsight, now appear to have been a mistake? |
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And just like the back of the bus might be on the same bus, it's not equal when you're forced to sit there. Remember that term you and and all those AM radio guys use, "freedom of choice"? Well you're being a hypocrite about it. |
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Because here's a novel concept: You never bothered to ask what gay people wanted. Instead, you're contented to force them into a classification against their will. If that's the case, then what's wrong with the "non-judgmental classification" of "negroes and coloreds" while we're at it?
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What African Americans think of gay people has as much relevance as what white people think of blacks. Neither has the right to impose their will over the civil rights of the other.
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