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If "drunken whore mongering" is our common denominator than it must be one's deeds in between the bottles and the broads that separate the Ben Franklins, Martin Luther Kings, Edgar Allan Poes, Frank Sinatras, Clarke Gables and Babe Ruths from you and I.
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Faux-sentimentalism, I'm afraid, is not a debate winner. |
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![]() ![]() Find a new song. ETA: Here's a heads-up for you, financeguy. This is my last response to your baiting and unrelated posts. I'm not going to put you on actual ignore, because when you're talking about shit you actually know about, you're interesting. So, from now on, when I don't respond to your unrelated bullshit about the "rights of the unborn," you can pretend you finally got me! That should make your day. |
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How was this case critically different from any other instance of someone suing their county or state on the grounds that their constitutional rights were violated? Should states be able to arbitrarily declare particular subjects of legislation ineligible for judicial redress?
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I watched that show too, I think that's a very interesting show. The only "comforting" factor is that people hesitate to become involved on that show across all types of situations. Of course it's not actually comforting that people are equal opportunity in that way. |
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can you give an example of any SCOTUS decision that isn't a "judicial fiat"? further, can you give me an example of said "denigration" and "bullying"? because gay people were never bullied ... |
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i'm afraid that you've just made your own argument -- there are many groups in the US who are trying, very hard, to use the courts to give the fetus the same status as a human being, you'll see this in cases when a pregnant mother is killed. they advocate for treating such a murder as two murders because two individuals have been killed. simply because marriage equality cases have been quite convincing to many different state SC's across the country means just that -- they've been successful, and especially at a time when the courts have been stacked by the GOP. could it be that marriage equality folks simply have a logically sound argument that's incredibly persuasive and the "pro-life/anti-choice" folks haven't been as successful? either way, i can guarantee you that it isn't martha's fault. nor does one have much to do with the other. everyone uses the courts. this is why they are there. this is why we don't vote on civil rights or the rights of the minority. i think we should take a vote to see if we should let Irish Ron Paul supporters be able to post in FYM. would you live with the results? or would it take someone to protect your right to post against the tyranny of the majority. |
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Why did the San Francisco Chronicle and several websites feel the need to publish the names and home addresses of everyone who donated money in support of the proposition 8 if not to intimidate? Oh, and I'm still trying to figure out while in the same speech Sean Penn thinks I should feel "great shame" but President Obama (who also opposes same-sex marriage) is "an elegant man." ![]() |
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so now political protest and public information and celebrities who make speeches at the Oscars makes you feel threatened and intimidated? and i thought we were the drama queens. are you going to compare this to the rhetoric that comes out of the Right on this issue? the whole "destruction of society" and whatnot? |
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INDY, are you going to address the other questions people have asked of you?
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I think about my donations, especially when they are for local races and I know and am friends with more than one candidate. Donations of $99 and less are not published, sometimes I go that route. If this information was not available the "right" and religious people would be real upset. They like to target people that support "pro choice", 'gun control' and 'pro immigration' and the like. I do agree Prop 8 was Prop 'Hate'. It was 'hate' that fueled it and 'hate' that made the pro 8 people donate. They will tell you it is 'hate' the sin. But it is still 'hate' directed at people. Because 'sin' requires people doing so-called 'sinful' behavior. Note this "sinful" behavior in question is perfectly legal and deemed by science and medicine to be natural. |
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Except many of these people have actually been physically or verbally intimidated. And for nothing more than participating in the democratic process. And unless you can name me a Hollywood celebrity who publicly endorsed Prop 8 then I guess we can assume there is a de facto blacklist in place. Remember when those were a bad thing? The "destruction of society" (your term) isn't anti-gay as it as been applied to other deviations from traditional marriage as well such as high divorce rates and out of wedlock births. Which, while maybe not "destroying," are certainly having detrimental effects on society are they not? |
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how do you think it equates with having their marriage rights taken away from them? you mention divorce, well those divorced people choose to be divorced what if these people you seem to be concerned about had their marriages dissolved by a controversial public vote funded by left-wing extremist, that just don't like 'closed-minded', religious people and believe the Government should not support or recognize their chosen life style? |
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Tradition don't mean shit!!! I'm so tired of that excuse, it's weak.
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would you like to cite your sources? one or two idiots outside of a Mormon church is not at all indicative of an entire movement, nor are Christians who go to the Castro right as the bars are closing to "pray" for the people on the streets exactly doing anything other than asking for people to shout at them. ever been to a pro-life or pro-choice march? you'll see lots of verbal intimidation. please show me a contentious social issue in which both sides discuss the issue by mutually affirming the worth and value of the other side's argument. i guess we're going to hold the gays (and their straight allies) to a higher standard. Quote:
or maybe it's just really unpopular in Hollywood given the fact that most people in the arts work with gay people all the time. you can assume all you want, but does it surprise you that such a thing would be unpopular amongst the "Hollywood Left"? Quote:
what do gay people have to do with high divorce rates and out-of-wedlock births? and are you going to claim that any deviation from "traditional" marriage -- which i guess we have to assume means 13 year old girls, no interracial marriage, no inter-faith marriage -- is somehow a bad thing? i guess there is some comfort in living by the rules of a medieval polity in a totalist universe where everything reflects the same understood and unquestioned Truth, where all questions have answers, and all human needs are exactly the same and gender roles are rigid and defined and enduring and natural and God-given, and yet at the same time, so fragile that we need to reinforce said gender roles with likewise rigid and defined laws. if human nature is so enduring, if homosexuality is such an unnatural thing, then surely nature will win? if you want to make the argument that sex is only for reproduction and that marriage is only for the rearing of biological offspring, go ahead and do so. i don't think that's an argument you're going to win with most of contemporary America (or the contemporary West). perhaps you might find points of commonality with other religiously reactionary cultures in the Middle East and Central Asia? or maybe you can first show me the "detrimental effects" that gay people have on society. |
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