equality blooms with spring

[INDY500]

Guess it's time to take another "angry, negative, humorless liberals" sabbatical.

And, no, I won't let the door hit my ass on the way out.

[martha]

We must have been confused by all your blindingly compassionate posts.

[melon]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

you know, it's with posts like this that make me think, "wow, i guess most conservatives really are just assholes and hate it when fags, negros, Jews, and dames get all uppity." thankfully, i know you better than that.

I think you give him too much credit. Sometimes a small-minded bigot is just that.

On that note, same-sex immigration is an issue that affects me personally. It's why I ultimately moved to Canada, as my Canadian partner has no legal means to move to the U.S. Just as most Americans aren't people with highly specialized skills that would permit them to immigrate to other countries on the basis of skilled worker visas, most non-Americans don't fit this category either. That's why family class immigration exists in the first place.

Considering that several nations have found a way to enact same-sex immigration without legalizing gay marriage--such as Australia--this is one of those issues whose opposition can really be summed up as a combination of prejudice and nativism.

[phillyfan26]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Guess it's time to take another "angry, negative, humorless liberals" sabbatical.

And, no, I won't let the door hit my ass on the way out.

If you weren't such a jackass about the issue, your humor would probably be more accepted. For Christ's sake, I've seen you reference Bill Hicks and couldn't truly appreciate it because it was in the context of you being an asshole about it.

It's one thing to disagree with homosexuals having equal rights (well, not really), but it's another to tell them it's a "non issue" after debating with them for a long time about it. I know you're smarter than that, so my only assumption is that you're just being a dick about it.

[indra]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Tell that to my coworker who has been trying for almost 5 years to get his Indian wife citizenship.

Just tell your co-worker to have his wife to "get a sponsorship from an employer for a skill that will benefit our society" and stop his whining. I mean, the gall of that bastard. She certainly can't be the only woman in the world he could screw.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Guess it's time to take another "angry, negative, humorless liberals" sabbatical.

And spend time with bigoted, uninformed, 5th grade humor conservatives, why would anyone want that?

[melon]

Originally Posted by indra

Just tell your co-worker to have his wife to "get a sponsorship from an employer for a skill that will benefit our society" and stop his whining. I mean, the gall of that bastard. She certainly can't be the only woman in the world he could screw.

Really. He can just rub his "wienie" with some other "pussie." I mean, that's all there is to it, right?

[deep]

A little disappointed to see all the bickering

this was a good day for common decency and equality, with the New Hampshire law being signed by the Governor.

Here is an editorial with that expresses my feelings on the subject.

NYT -June 4, 2009
Editorial
Vote on Gay Marriage

Six states have now made it legal for same-sex couples to marry. New York is not one of them. Gov. David Paterson wants the state to guarantee that right, and the protections that come with it, and the Assembly approved legislation legalizing same-sex marriage last month. Malcolm Smith, the leader of the State Senate, insists that he, too, favors marriage for gay couples, but he won’t let a bill go to the floor unless he’s privately lined up enough votes.

It is time for Mr. Smith and his fellow senators to decide this important matter in public.

There are few new arguments to be made behind closed doors. By now, the Senate’s 62 members have heard from every interest group. They know the polls and the politics. They know that New York is lagging behind others — including New Hampshire, where Gov. John Lynch, who had previously defined marriage as strictly between a man and a woman, signed legislation legalizing same-sex marriage on Wednesday.

And if New York’s Assembly is any guide, once the matter comes to the floor, these senators will also recognize that same-sex marriage is a basic civil right that can no longer be denied to the citizens of this state.

Thomas Duane, the lead senator on this bill, argues that ultimately his colleagues will see the issue clearly, both in theory and in their personal experiences. He says that most lawmakers, like most Americans, either have a gay family member or know a gay couple down the street or a gay co-worker in their office or some of the many gay lawyers, doctors, politicians and journalists in their community.

“How can they look these people in the eye and not want to treat them equally?” Mr. Duane said. “How can they look me in the eye?”

Christine Quinn, the speaker of the New York City Council, who also has been in Albany working in favor of the same-sex marriage bill, offers another reason why a public vote is necessary. “History will record what all of us do on this issue,” she said. “This is one of those moments when you should want to be counted.”

New York’s Legislature has about two more weeks left in this year’s session. Its work will not be done until the Senate publicly debates and then votes to legalize same-sex marriage.

[Irvine511]

keep your eyes on New York State.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Guess it's time to take another "angry, negative, humorless liberals" sabbatical.

Humor doesn't have to be insensitive. Not necessary or all that productive to reduce another person's pain or struggles in such a way. You think I'm being "angry, negative, and humorless" (I don't label myself liberal, or angry or negative or humorless.. if you want to well no biggie).. Well I think you're being cold and insensitive and lacking in empathy-that's how a post like the one I referenced comes across to me. I won't call you that but that's how that post came across.

You are on your sabbatical but I just wanted to make that point. I'm not "bickering", just calling that the way I see it.

[melon]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

I won't call you that but that's how that post came across.

Maybe you won't, but I will.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Well just trying to abide by the Interference rules and all-but go right ahead

Don't think that would be against the rules but who knows, it can be a bit confusing...or maybe I was just trying to be overly generous and less ANGRY and humorless and liberal.

[AliEnvy]

CANOE -- CNEWS - Good News: Gay penguins raising chick

BERLIN - A German zoo says a pair of gay male penguins are raising a chick from an egg abandoned by its parents.

Bremerhaven zoo veterinarian Joachim Schoene says the egg was placed in the male penguins' nest after its parents rejected it in late April.

The males incubated it for some 30 days before it hatched and have continued to care for it.

The chick's gender is not yet known.

Schoene said the male birds, named Z and Vielpunkt, are one of three same-sex pairs among the zoo's 20 Humboldt penguins that have attempted to mate.

Homosexual behavior has been documented in many animal species.

The zoo said in a statement on its website that "sex and coupling in our world don't always have something to do with reproduction."

[BVS]

Oh NOES the gay agenda is going to corrupt little penguin babies!!! This must be stopped, we all know the male penquins will just want to fondle the chick once it's hatched.

Do you think there are fundie/ homophobic PETA members?

[martha]

OMG.

What if children visiting the zoo get confused?

[BVS]

FOX supports the SANCTITY of marriage:

I Married a Stranger -

"She never meets him until the actual moment when they say 'I do,'" a source close to the project told The Reporter. "It's like the big scene that comes after an entire season of The Bachelor, only this is in every episode."

Report: Fox developing 'I Married a Stranger' arranged marriage series - Reality TV World - News, information, episode summaries, message boards, chat and games for unscripted television programs







I guess this doesn't actually change the definition of that everchanging word 'marriage' so the sanctity is still in tact.

GO Fox
Go conservatives

[nathan1977]

Originally Posted by BVS

FOX supports the SANCTITY of marriage:

GO Fox
Go conservatives

I would like any conservatives who actually think this show is a good idea to raise their hands.

My guess: not many.

I'm guessing you'll find a lot more network executives who think people will watch a train wreck.

And you might be right on that score.

[BVS]

Yes but if you were honest about the sanctity of marriage, and not just the definition of the word this would outrage you.

To me, this just makes the hypocrisy louder...

[nathan1977]

Originally Posted by BVS

Yes but if you were honest about the sanctity of marriage, and not just the definition of the word this would outrage you.

After "Who Wants to Marry a Multi-Millionaire", "Joe Millionaire," and "Married With Children", raging against Fox for trashing the sanctity of marriage is kind of like getting mad at Crazy Uncle Joe for rubbing up against people on the street -- pointless.

But yes, this kind of show pisses me off.

I am however taking the suggestion of many on this board, and will not be watching.

[phillyfan26]

I think it's grasping for straws to say that this show is a reflection of the hypocritical nature of conservatives on the issue of marriage.