equality blooms with spring

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

unless you want to actively hurt gay people, who on earth could be against such a thing?

Your love is icky and unnatural and it's not like we need any more brownies in this country taking our jobs. This is America damnnit.

[INDY500]

Jared, a Dutch national living in this country illegally who asked to be identified only by his English nickname, fell in love with Melvin Terry in 1978 while traveling in Europe. He had been with Terry for 18 years when he was told by the U.S. government that he had to leave.

"The fact that the government has the right to tell you your relationship is invalid, it's more than frustrating, it's insulting," Terry said.

Then, Jared's dad became ill in the Netherlands.

He was forced to choose whether to go back home to see his father before he died and risk being denied entry back into the United States because he is HIV-positive or of staying with Terry and never seeing his father again.

His father made the choice for him, sending him a letter and underlining "don't even think about coming here." And so for 13 years, Jared, 49, has remained in the United States illegally to be with his 62-year-old partner.

Why don't they move to the Netherlands where tolerance reigns and health care is free? Illegal aliens don't get to bitch about our laws.

And it's not like opposite-sex legally married couples don't encounter the same bureaucracy or immigration restrictions.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Why don't they move to the Netherlands where tolerance reigns and health care is free?

I expect nothing less from such a compassionate soul as yourself.

Originally Posted by INDY500

And it's not like opposite-sex legally married couples don't encounter the same bureaucracy or immigration restrictions.

You're kidding right? If I married a girl from the Netherlands her status would be legal within months, if not sooner... Where do you come up with this stuff?

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by BVS

I expect nothing less from such a compassionate soul as yourself.

And I would a expect a progressive like yourself to have zero regard for the rule of law. But really, if this country is so bigoted, so mean and uncompassionate, why would they want to live here?

You're kidding right? If I married a girl from the Netherlands her status would be legal within months, if not sooner... Where do you come up with this stuff?

Tell that to my coworker who has been trying for almost 5 years to get his Indian wife citizenship.

This is such a non-issue.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by INDY500

And I would a expect a progressive like yourself to have zero regard for the rule of law.

I have very little respect for laws that create inequality. That's something I still believe in. Not just something I say...

Originally Posted by INDY500

But really, if this country is so bigoted, so mean and uncompassionate, why would they want to live here?

Because we all know you'll be on the wrong side of history soon...

Originally Posted by INDY500

Tell that to my coworker who has been trying for almost 5 years to get his Indian wife citizenship.

This is such a non-issue.

What's the hold up? Is he a natural born citizen? Does she have a criminal record.

Seriously I've seen folks get it within weeks. There must be something going on with this couple you aren't saying.

[financeguy]

Originally Posted by BVS

There must be something going on with this couple you aren't saying.

Who's the bigot here? You're sounding like one, with this kind of comment.

[BoMac]

Originally Posted by BVS

Seriously I've seen folks get it within weeks. There must be something going on with this couple you aren't saying.

Just because you've seen it happen within weeks, doesn't mean that there are those out there that are experiencing difficulties for myriad reasons.

Originally Posted by financeguy

Who's the bigot here? You're sounding like one, with this kind of comment.

Nice try. It doesn't sound bigoted to me.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by INDY500

This is such a non-issue.

first, note that you could say "co-worker's wife." big thing, there. whatever issues this couple is facing, it has nothing to do with their sexual orientation.

regardless of the difficulties that individual hetero couples may face, how is this a non-issue for gay couples?

i agree that it's a non issue. gay couples should have equal legal status as straight couples.

but that's not the case now. can you explain why you don't care?

[MrsSpringsteen]

Inequality is a "non issue"?

by the way...

June 3, 2009 04:42 PM

By Eric Moskowitz, Globe Staff

Gay marriage legislation gained momentum today in New Hampshire, with the passage of a revised bill by both the state House and Senate.

Governor John Lynch is expected to sign the bill into law later today, which would make New Hampshire the sixth state to allow gays to marry.

Shortly after 4 p.m., the House voted 198-176 for the bill. The bill had been passed earlier in the day by the Senate.

Lynch said in mid-May that he would sign a bill legalizing same-sex unions as long as the Legislature made it clearer that religious groups would not be forced to conduct "marriage ceremonies that violate their fundamental religious beliefs."

If Lynch signs the bill, Rhode Island will be the only New England state to bar gay marriage.

When Massachusetts became the first state in the nation to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples in 2004, New Hampshire seemed unlikely to follow. Republicans had enjoyed virtually uninterrupted control of both houses of the Legislature since the late 19th century.

But in 2006, Granite State voters unseated a pair of GOP congressmen amid rising upopularity for the Iraq war and the presidency of George W. Bush. The voters also swept Democratic majorities into the State House. A few months later, the new Legislature approved civil unions.

In early May, Lynch reiterated his position that civil unions were best for the state. But two weeks later, he said his thinking had changed. He said society's views on civil rights have "constantly evolved and expanded" throughout our history. "That is what I believe we must do today."

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

first, note that you could say "co-worker's wife." big thing, there. whatever issues this couple is facing, it has nothing to do with their sexual orientation.

regardless of the difficulties that individual hetero couples may face, how is this a non-issue for gay couples?

i agree that it's a non issue. gay couples should have equal legal status as straight couples.

but that's not the case now. can you explain why you don't care?

Our nation's official immigration policy is already the most generous by far in the world. Just whom would you exclude so as to grant more lovesick homosexuals citizenship?

And can we not deal with the our current mess of illegal immigration and overstayed visas before introducing gay rights into the whole immigration debate? Or are you just itching to march around parading signs with the Scrabble winning slogan "Xenophobic Homophobe."

Get a sponsorship from an employer for a skill that will benefit our society, enter the country legally, then rub wienies with whomever you like.

[deep]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Our nation's official immigration policy is already the most generous by far in the world. .

Are you sure about this??

or is this just one of those "false" givens.

Such, as America has the best Health Care in the world
or America has the best human rights record in the world.

[deep]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

June 3, 2009 04:42 PM

By Eric Moskowitz, Globe Staff

Gay marriage legislation gained momentum today in New Hampshire, with the passage of a revised bill by both the state House and Senate.

Governor John Lynch is expected to sign the bill into law later today, which would make New Hampshire the sixth state to allow gays to marry.

Shortly after 4 p.m., the House voted 198-176 for the bill. The bill had been passed earlier in the day by the Senate.

Lynch said in mid-May that he would sign a bill legalizing same-sex unions as long as the Legislature made it clearer that religious groups would not be forced to conduct "marriage ceremonies that violate their fundamental religious beliefs."

If Lynch signs the bill, Rhode Island will be the only New England state to bar gay marriage.

Governor Lynch signed the bill.


New England leads the nation.

is anything happening in R I?

Is NY next?

[anitram]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Our nation's official immigration policy is already the most generous by far in the world.

That's absolutely false.

Edited: I was going to say that the Canadian one is considerably more generous, but I suppose I should ask you for your parameters first.

[BoMac]

Originally Posted by anitram

That's absolutely false.

Edited: I was going to say that the Canadian one is considerably more generous, but I suppose I should ask you for your parameters first.

For crying out loud, Martina, stop bringing Canada into everything. You know as well as I do that this country is as irrelevant a nation as there is on this planet. Nothing that we do here matters anyway, especially since our society completely collapsed once gay marriage was legalized.

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by anitram

That's absolutely false.

Edited: I was going to say that the Canadian one is considerably more generous, but I suppose I should ask you for your parameters first.

Total number. I realize Canada has laxer or more "generous" restrictions especially in regards to asylum and probably a higher per capita rate as well.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Our nation's official immigration policy is already the most generous by far in the world. Just whom would you exclude so as to grant more lovesick homosexuals citizenship?

And can we not deal with the our current mess of illegal immigration and overstayed visas before introducing gay rights into the whole immigration debate? Or are you just itching to march around parading signs with the Scrabble winning slogan "Xenophobic Homophobe."

Get a sponsorship from an employer for a skill that will benefit our society, enter the country legally, then rub wienies with whomever you like.

you know, it's with posts like this that make me think, "wow, i guess most conservatives really are just assholes and hate it when fags, negros, Jews, and dames get all uppity." thankfully, i know you better than that.

it's all very simple: legalize same-sex marriage on a federal level, or at least remove DOMA, and the problem is solved.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by financeguy

Who's the bigot here? You're sounding like one, with this kind of comment.

Oh please do tell... but I won't hold my breath.

Originally Posted by BoMac

Just because you've seen it happen within weeks, doesn't mean that there are those out there that are experiencing difficulties for myriad reasons.

Of course there are cases, but I would say 5 years is definately the exception.

And it definately doesn't support his comment that homosexuals and heterosexual couples have it just as bad when it came to this issue.

And it's not like opposite-sex legally married couples don't encounter the same bureaucracy or immigration restrictions.

It was a ridiculous comparison.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by INDY500

then rub wienies with whomever you like.

Is that supposed to be cute or funny somehow, or are you really reducing what the people in that article went through to that?

[martha]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Is that supposed to be cute or funny somehow, or are you really reducing what the people in that article went through to that?

Probably choice B.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

or are you really reducing what the people in that article went through to that?

Given his direct attack towards Irvine's sexuality before, I'm going to go with this one...