equality blooms with spring - Page 25

I'm Ready · 05-26-2009, 07:16 PM

I am a full supporter of gay marriage, but from a legal standpoint, it was the correct decision.

California voters have a right to change their constitution via referendum, and the supreme court is right to decide they have no right to interfere with that. It is terrible that California voters would vote to ban gay marriage, but it is good to see the Cali Supreme Court make a decision based on judicial ethics and pre-set laws over their own moral opinions.

deep · 05-26-2009, 07:50 PM

What if an initiative passed that said only people born in CA can attend public schools without paying $10000 a year.
Would you say the voters have a right to make that change ?

martha · 05-26-2009, 08:03 PM

The decision wasn't a surprise. Now the Mormons and other conservatives who believe in "democracy" can high-five each other and crow that democracy triumphs.

And now the stage is set to repeal the damn thing through... wait for it ... DEMOCRACY! When it's repealed through the democratic process, and it will be, will those celebrating today's decision be just as supportive? Or will they file suit to have it overturned?

deep · 05-26-2009, 08:06 PM

Nov 2012 would be the time to put it on the ballot.

anitram · 05-26-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by martha

And now the stage is set to repeal the damn thing through... wait for it ... DEMOCRACY! When it's repealed through the democratic process, and it will be, will those celebrating today's decision be just as supportive? Or will they file suit to have it overturned?

I also don't hear them yelling about activist judges today....

diamond · 05-26-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Ready

it was the correct decision.

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6 out of 7 Supremes agreed.

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deep · 05-26-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by deep

Nov 2012 would be the time to put it on the ballot.

or perhaps as soon as the June 2010 primaries for CA Governor,
they could get a good size Dem turn out for Arnold replacement.

anitram · 05-26-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by deep

Arnold replacement.

I thought that the Terminator lived forever.

INDY500 · 05-26-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Ready

it is good to see the Cali Supreme Court make a decision based on judicial ethics and pre-set laws over their own moral opinions.

Except when they don't, like last time. Which started the whole mess.

Clearly what's needed is more "judicial empathy."

Irvine511 · 05-27-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

Except when they don't, like last time. Which started the whole mess.

Clearly what's needed is more "judicial empathy."

at least now they "acted" properly. and that's all we ask from our judges. to rule how we want.

martha · 05-27-2009, 10:35 AM

The more I learn about the decision, the better I feel. All the Court did was uphold Californian's ability to amend the Constitution via referenda; they did not eliminate any of the marriages, nor did they say anything about eliminating marriage equality. In fact, they talked a lot about how necessary equal protection really is.

It wasn't much of a win for the Mormons.

MrsSpringsteen · 05-27-2009, 10:57 AM

Well at least Mel Gibson can still have a baby with his gf while still married

diamond · 05-27-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by martha

The more I learn about the decision, the better I feel.

Good, it just took you a few days to understand the ruling.

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BVS · 05-27-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by diamond

Good, it just took you a few days to understand the ruling.

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And it will take you how many years to learn about equality?

diamond · 05-27-2009, 02:09 PM

equality has nothing to do with the meaning of a word.

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BVS · 05-27-2009, 02:17 PM

Have you looked up the meaning of EQUALITY lately?

It shows up well before any mention of what the word "marriage" means in the Constitution. It's mentioned a lot more too... If we're going to argue word meanings, I'm sure most would think 'equality' outweighs 'marriage' anyday.

diamond · 05-27-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

Have you looked up the meaning of EQUALITY lately?

It shows up well before any mention of what the word "marriage" means in the Constitution. It's mentioned a lot more too... If we're going to argue word meanings, I'm sure most would think 'equality' outweighs 'marriage' anyday.

Who's arguing?

Myself along with a majority of Americans understand the meaning of a the word marriage as it was intended.

Go be angry somewhere else.

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BVS · 05-27-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by diamond

Who's arguing?

Myself along with a majority of Americans understand the meaning of a the word marriage as it was intended.

Go be angry somewhere else.

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Meaning of the word as it was intended? It's not the way Joseph Smith intended? Have you already forgot? So don't argue with me about meanings of words.

Your narrow definition of the word "marriage" which within your own religion has been refined in just recent history, and outside your religion as well throughout the centuries does not allow for EQUALITY which has never been redfined... so don't give me this "as it was intended" bs.

Go be uniformed somewhere else.

diamond · 05-27-2009, 02:59 PM

I'm quite informed.
Informed enough to know what the word marriage means.

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anitram · 05-27-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by diamond

I'm quite informed.
Informed enough to know what the word marriage means.

Don't worry, it'll mean something different than you think it means very soon.

Hopefully within your lifetime, that might give you a chance to come into the fold of equality for our gay and lesbian friends and family. They'll welcome you the way you haven't welcomed them.

Time waits for no man.

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I'm Ready War Child Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 987 Local Time: 06:53 AM	I am a full supporter of gay marriage, but from a legal standpoint, it was the correct decision. California voters have a right to change their constitution via referendum, and the supreme court is right to decide they have no right to interfere with that. It is terrible that California voters would vote to ban gay marriage, but it is good to see the Cali Supreme Court make a decision based on judicial ethics and pre-set laws over their own moral opinions. __________________

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05-26-2009, 08:03 PM	#483
martha Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place Posts: 42,562 Local Time: 04:53 AM	The decision wasn't a surprise. Now the Mormons and other conservatives who believe in "democracy" can high-five each other and crow that democracy triumphs. And now the stage is set to repeal the damn thing through... wait for it ... DEMOCRACY! When it's repealed through the democratic process, and it will be, will those celebrating today's decision be just as supportive? Or will they file suit to have it overturned?

05-26-2009, 08:06 PM	#484
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 03:53 AM	Nov 2012 would be the time to put it on the ballot.

05-27-2009, 10:35 AM	#491
martha Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place Posts: 42,562 Local Time: 04:53 AM	The more I learn about the decision, the better I feel. All the Court did was uphold Californian's ability to amend the Constitution via referenda; they did not eliminate any of the marriages, nor did they say anything about eliminating marriage equality. In fact, they talked a lot about how necessary equal protection really is. It wasn't much of a win for the Mormons.

05-27-2009, 10:57 AM	#492
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thank you for your service Bono Posts: 29,015 Local Time: 06:53 AM	Well at least Mel Gibson can still have a baby with his gf while still married

05-27-2009, 02:09 PM	#495
diamond ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Az USA Posts: 12,856 Local Time: 04:53 AM	equality has nothing to do with the meaning of a word. <>

05-27-2009, 02:17 PM	#496
BVS Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: between my head and heart Posts: 41,232 Local Time: 06:53 AM	Have you looked up the meaning of EQUALITY lately? It shows up well before any mention of what the word "marriage" means in the Constitution. It's mentioned a lot more too... If we're going to argue word meanings, I'm sure most would think 'equality' outweighs 'marriage' anyday.

05-27-2009, 02:59 PM	#499
diamond ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Az USA Posts: 12,856 Local Time: 04:53 AM	I'm quite informed. Informed enough to know what the word marriage means. <>