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'Baby, Give Me a Kiss'

Interesting article in the L.A. Times today regarding Joe Francis, the founder of the "Girls Gone Wild" empire. In addition to physically abusing the reporter in the story, and a description of what can only be described as rape, the article describes what gives Francis his power - the women who appear on camera for him.

The reporter questioned "why do women do this" and offered two glimpses into the answer:

When I turn to the flock of pretty girls, Jillian Vangeertry, a 21-year-old student, offers me a warm smile. I feel as if I'm in a bed of kittens. Why, I ask, is she here?

"Anybody enjoys the attention. T-shirts, hats—we got all the accessories," she says. I ask if she plans on going wild for the cameras later. She shrugs. "If you do it, you do it," she says confidently. "You can't complain later. It's almost like your 15 minutes of fame."

and later

I follow Francis and his bodyguard through the crowd to find Kaitlyn Bultema. She's dancing on a podium and leaps off at the sight of Francis. She's wearing a skirt-and-shirt ensemble that exposes her stomach, most of her breasts and much of her bottom. I ask her why she wants to appear on "Girls Gone Wild" and she looks me in the eye and says, "I want everybody to see me because I'm hot."

It's then that it hits me: This is so much bigger than Francis. In a culture where cheap and portable video technology lets everyone play at stardom, and where America's voyeuristic appetite for reality television seems insatiable, teenagers, like the ones in this club, see cameras as validation. "Most guys want to have sex with me and maybe I could meet one new guy, but if I get filmed everyone could see me," Bultema says. "If you do this, you might get noticed by somebody—to be an actress or a model."

I ask her why she wants to get noticed. "You want people to say, 'Hey, I saw you.' Everybody wants to be famous in some way. Getting famous will get me anything I want. If I walk into somebody's house and said, 'Give me this,' I could have it."

The article then goes on to describe a third women who is selected from the crowd, fed shots of alcohol, taken to "the bus" to be filmed, and then (off camera) deflowered by Francis.

What ideals are we selling to these women who believe sexual exhibition for someone else's profit will lead to fame, money and power?
 
What a lovely man.:|

nbcrusader said:


What ideals are we selling to these women who believe sexual exhibition for someone else's profit will lead to fame, money and power?

Interesting question, one that's been around for awhile. I just watched Demi Moore's true hollywood story, and they talked about one of her first modeling gigs was this skin magazine, and she said she did it because she thought it would bring her more and better gigs(who knows if it really did). But many celebrities do have something similar to that in their beginnings. Of course she probably got paid more than a t-shirt.
 
I think college age girls really believe that sex is power. They don't see it for what it is which is exploitation. I doubt they realize how harmful it can be at the time and considering that they are drinking I'd bet many have regrets.

I wonder what might happen in a few years if many of these girls realize he's gotten rich of off them. I'm sure he's got the legalities covered but a class action lawsuit would be lovely.

He's a disgusting individual.
 
That story was disturbing. :|

To me this seems like little more than crass exploitation of women. Of course they have a right to participate and "express" themselves, but I think it has a lot to do with the warped way in which our culture worships fame and beauty. I just find it so very sad that young women believe that their self-worth is derived from the shape of their bodies. :(
 
I know it's wrong, but if they signed a waver there is nothing they can do about it.

Capatalism you gotta love it.
 
I am not say this is right, this is wrong but they agree to it by signing a waver. No the are crying in the videos of course they look happy from the previews they show on cable.
 
sulawesigirl4 said:

To me this seems like little more than crass exploitation of women. Of course they have a right to participate and "express" themselves, but I think it has a lot to do with the warped way in which our culture worships fame and beauty

Yes indeed - Joe Francis is filthy rich from all of it, and girls like Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan hang out with him. Not just them, many celebrities do. I saw some show in which he showed his vacation house, it's unbelievable.

But who is buying these videos? After all, you don't see any videos entitled "girls going to med school" or "girls getting a PhD". I'm not saying the women in these videos are not intelligent, that wouldn't be right or fair. I think they're enticed at the thought of fame, and women still aren't given attention and notoriety and fame for being intelligent. Sure some are, but at least in the world of Hollywood it's all about looks. Not just in Hollywood but obviously it's more of an issue there. As long as there's a market for it and males buy the videos, it will exist.

I will read the whole article if I can stomach it, but who is committing rape and why didn't he get in trouble for physically abusing the reporter?

We should focus more on Francis than on the "girls", who is going to do anything about him? I don't see any men protesting him or his "business". Will they stop buying the videos if they read this article?

Just because the women "look happy" doesn't mean they are. When reality hits I would bet at least some are in emotional and psychological pain. It hurts like hell to feel devalued.
 
"Sex sells everything," (Francis) says. "It drives every buying decision . . . I hate to get too deep and philosophical here, but only the guys with the greatest sexual appetites are the ones who are the most driven and most successful."
 
"Francis has aimed his cameras at a generation whose notions of privacy and sexuality are different from any other. Nursed on MySpace profiles and reality television, many young people today are comfortable with being perpetually photographed and having those images posted on the Internet for anyone to see. The boundaries that once contained sexuality have also fallen away. Whether it's 13-year-olds watching a Britney Spears video, 16-year-olds getting their pubic hair waxed to emulate porn stars or 17-year-olds viewing videos of celebrities performing the most intimate acts, youth culture is soaked in sexuality."
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
I will read the whole article if I can stomach it, but who is committing rape and why didn't he get in trouble for physically abusing the reporter?

I believe it may have been Francis who committed rape, according to what was in the original post about him "deflowering" the girl who had been given shots of alcohol.

I hope this article leads to an investigation that puts him in jail.
 
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nathan1977 said:
"but only the guys with the greatest sexual appetites are the ones who are the most driven and most successful"

Joe is so evolved

All depends on your definition of success. I'll take a poor or average guy who has a great heart and mind and an honest and abiding respect for women.

What will become of Joe Francis when he's an old man sitting in his expensive house and he can't have empty, meaningless sex anymore? Oh well, good thing for him there's Viagra.

Sex sells, but that doesn't mean you have to sell your soul.
 
Justin24 said:
I am not say this is right, this is wrong but they agree to it by signing a waver. No the are crying in the videos of course they look happy from the previews they show on cable.

Would you consider a consent valid if the signatory is under the influence of alcohol and/or does not reasonably understand what she is signing?
 
There's no way you can tell if a person is happy or not just by looking at them. You have to be that person to know it. Seriously, what this guy is doing is disgusting.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:

But who is buying these videos? After all, you don't see any videos entitled "girls going to med school" or "girls getting a PhD".

It's with this in mind that most people are going to have an element of instant respect for anyone, and this absolutely includes women, who do achieve something like a PhD or go through med school. In reality, society actually values this a whole lot more - yet the sleaze element is still sought after by girls with great physique and show absolutely nothing of what is going on upstairs. What takes this group of women who have at least one thing in common, to forego their other skills, like intelligence or talent, and leads them into thinking stripping themselves bare in the most truly appealing way is better? I believe everyone can excel in some way. Having a great arse requires nothing, unlike say veterinary science or becoming a brilliant singer, etc.
 
Total sleaze, if he breaks the law then come down upon him like a ton of bricks but otherwise I don't have any in principle problem with the Girls Gone Wild enterprise, it's surprising that nobody was able to use the idea earlier.
 
:der: One more disturbing consequence of the increasing celebrification and spectacle-ification of pretty much everything. It's no surprise that Francis got his start in "reality television"--this is probably where he learned that the conceit of "spontaneity" exponentially increases the voyeuristic gratification value of whatever "wildness" gets caught on film. What could be more titillating than the premise that "the girl next door" (to use his phrase) turns out to be "ready and willing and a dirty slut"?

The reasons some of the girls quoted gave for wanting to be filmed reminded me of an article I read a few years back, where the reporter asked several teenaged hopefuls at a modeling tryout what their reasons for wanting to become models were. Instead of enthusing "I love clothing and makeup and fashion and glamour" or whatever you might think, most of their reasons were banal solipsisms like "I just want other girls to want to be me." Of course, they were just teenagers, so this wasn't totally surprising; kids that age in general tend to be preoccupied with attracting the attention and envy of others as an end in itself. But it also reflects a troubling confusion of the interests of the consumer with the interests of the entertainer where entertainment--as business, as product--is concerned. Once you sign that contract and get in front of that camera, it's no longer about armchair fantasies of starring in your proverbial 15 minutes; you've now also become a product, and parties other than your audience now have an interest in what they can get from that product...meaning the responsibility now rests with you--ready or not--to understand what the worth of that product is and negotiate its use accordingly.

Can a drunk 18-year-old who's also high from the Spring Break/nightclub buzz reasonably be expected to grasp such a responsibility? Legally speaking, evidently yes, but ethically speaking, I'm inclined to think not, and that's what makes Francis' "business" setup disturbing, even setting aside the neon-sign indicators that he's an exploitative cad in ways that go way beyond that setup. I don't doubt that many if not most of these girls regard the whole thing as a kind of cheeky lark both before and afterwards, but again, there's some troubling confusion involved as to who's cheeking who. Who is really getting rich and famous? Who is really "liberating" their sexual license? Who is really winning (some) men's admiration with their boldness and swagger? Who is really getting the last laugh at the contradictory list of things society expects their gender to be? The awful irony of that comment from the woman Francis raped cuts directly to the ugly imbalance of power underlying it all:
"It didn't feel good to me at all, but I was totally faking it because I was on 'Girls Gone Wild.'"
A perfect vicious circle: the desire to be "famous" so that "people will give you anything you want" leads to doing precisely what you don't want so that other people can get famous--or just get what they want--at your expense. Which of course was the idea all along--for Francis to get famous, and his consumers to get what they paid their $9.99 for. And all you got was this stupid T-shirt...and maybe a $0.00 laugh with your friends, if you're lucky.

Francis' own bizarre, if depressingly familiar, mixture of attraction to and contempt for the women he "works with" mirrors this irony right back: the "qwerty keyboard" taunts; the rants about [expletives] who don't "get" the First Amendment; the laments about the halcyon days of "innocent spontaneity" giving way to being rudely "hounded" by "calculating exhibitionists"; the careening back and forth between bullying brutality and perversely tender "I'm sorry, baby, give me a kiss" crooning.

[Sociologist and Tulane University assistant professor Vicki] Mayer has studied the young cameramen, who, she says, often sign up because they hope to break into Hollywood. Usually, she says, they end up disillusioned after spending night after night with women who lose their inhibitions for a T-shirt. "As much as it would be easy to see this as a simple relationship of men treating women a certain way, there are mutual relations of exploitation. I kind of feel like both sides could be seen as exploited." She's concluded that the winners are "the owners of these companies who are contracting cheap labor and free talent for a media product."
It would be interesting to read some of Mayer's perspectives on this (and on the women involved, as well)--one of the first things that occurred to me as I read about their filming process was to wonder just how many poorly paid nights of coaxing yet another round of rote "show-us-your-tits" scenes out of yet another fleeting sequence of drunken "I-want-everybody-to-see-me-because-I'm-hot" teenagers it would take before the whole gig lost any semblance of appeal whatsoever.
 
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I just read that article, he is one sick f'er and a disgusting pig - and a criminal in my eyes.

Yeah, he "loves women".

It's so typical that he reacts that way to women who "dare" to challenge him, accuse him, file charges against him.

What a complete and total loser. I don't understand how anyone can read that article and be nonchalant about what this guy is doing.
 
I've finally made it through the article and maybe I should comment but yolland has already covered by opinion excellently.
 
A_Wanderer said:
Tit's surprising that nobody was able to use the idea earlier.

Hugh Hefner comes to mind lol. Or maybe he's more of a new millenium Larry Flynt.

Nothing new here, the game has just evolved with technology.

As long as there are women who think they can get somewhere using T&A, there will be men like this who profit from it although they are nothing more than pimps who found a way around the rules.
 
Well porn has been around for a good long while but the marketing strategy and the style is a step apart from Playboy and Hustler, I don't see why people are so opposed in principle to these people and their product.
 
A_Wanderer said:
Well porn has been around for a good long while but the marketing strategy and the style is a step apart from Playboy and Hustler, I don't see why people are so opposed in principle to these people and their product.

Did you read the article? If you did you still don't understand why people are opposed to this person and how he creates his "product"? I've never heard that Hugh Hefner or even Larry Flynt conducted themselves or their business in such a manner- or used underage girls, drugged them, or raped girls, or threatened/physically strongarmed female reporters. I'm no expert in them or their porn, so maybe someone who knows more could enlighten me.

What Joe Francis does, according to this article, is not a "marketing style and strategy"- sorry, you've got to be kidding. Is assault, threat of assault, rape a "strategy"?
 
Darnell Riley is an American hero.

This all ends badly one day for Francis. An angry father or brother. A shotgun or a baseball bat.

As for the girls, well, this country is screwed:

"You want people to say, 'Hey, I saw you.' Everybody wants to be famous in some way. Getting famous will get me anything I want. If I walk into somebody's house and said, 'Give me this,' I could have it."
 
Not just empowering the sexist pig, but encouraging the cheap slut. It's a shame that both sexes are being encouraged to disrespect themselves and others.

In all honesty and reality most of these girls are just as guilty as this moronic guy though. Most know very well what they're dong and are more than happy to obectify themselves. They hurt the image of a respectable woman as much as any sexist guy.
 
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Drawing any moral equivalence between Joe Francis and the individual women his company profits from is more than a bit of a stretch--five minutes of drunken Spring Break exhibitionism can't be compared to the decade-long record of personal and business misconduct that's earned Francis and his lawyers a long string of breach of contract, invasion of privacy, sexual assault, and FTC charges, as well as restraining orders.

It is true, though, that the question nb initially asked--which the reporter also asked, in recalling her high school friends who joined the "Horny Club" in exchange for Trans Am rides--is an important one, which any sociological analysis of this phenomenon must contend with: Why do so many women willingly flock to nightclubs and beach parties where they know Francis and his crew will be in attendance, hoping to get their moment in front of the camera, and knowing fully well that these are after all just porn videos? Obviously, longstanding social and cultural messages that a woman's worth hinges on her physical desirability is a big part of it. But it would be an oversimplification to attribute the appeal solely to that: the culture of celebrity worship, where making oneself into a spectacle--by pretty much any available means--is seen as highly desirable, in and of itself (and the "reality TV" voyeurism which accompanies it), obviously plays a big role as well. As does the confused bundle of messages about female sexual empowerment that emerged from 1990s feminism of the "girl power" variety (Paglia, Roiphe, Bright, Califia et al.--though that's just the bookish end of it; also think Madonna, "riot grrrl", etc.), which promoted the idea that voluntary sexual self-objectification could be highly empowering for a woman, so long as she was fundamentally in control of the situation and profiting from it. (For example, Paglia regarded self-employed call girls as renegade heroines, and all of the above heaped scorn on anti-pornography feminists like Andrea Dworkin and Catharine MacKinnon, regarding them as prim and frigid enablers of patriarchal paternalism.)

To be fair, in my experience most academic feminists of this type, at least, would not consider "Girls Gone Wild" to be an example of such "empowerment," as it pretty obviously flunks both the "profit" test (the women are not paid) and the "fundamentally in control" test (though participation is voluntary, it's Francis and his crew who dictate the action--cajoling and directing the women to "show us your boobs," "now bend over and show us your thong," "now French-kiss your friend," etc., often with additional prodding from a crowd of hyped-up onlookers who are likewise whooping and egging the women on). And this all goes back to why the conceit of "spontaneity" underlying it all--which Francis obviously has a huge interest in maintaining--is so troubling. I have to suspect that, ironically, far, far fewer women would be interested in participating if they were paid for their appearances, because then it would seem "cheap" and "beneath me"--plus, the reassuringly ego-flattering (if delusory) pretense of "I'm a girl renegade, boldly showing off my bod" would be gone. It's a bit like one of those mean-spirited tricks we probably all remember from childhood, where you exclaim "Look! What's that!?" to make a friend look away, then cuff them on the chin or nose when they unwittingly comply...yet the premise is it's all just a friendly "joke," haha, no biggie--so the joker feels justified in laughing, and the jokee feels too complicit in the whole situation to take offense.

As a parent, I would never give consent for either my sons or my daughter to attend the sort of "party" where this kind of crap goes on, any more than I would endorse their attending a frat party where young male pledges are going to be publically humiliated under similar pretenses. It may well all be perfectly legal, and I appreciate that the precedents we might have to set to make it illegal would themselves be problematic in all sorts of ways, but nonetheless it's sick behavior all around, and not compatible with the sort of respect for others we are raising our children to have.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:


Did you read the article? If you did you still don't understand why people are opposed to this person and how he creates his "product"? I've never heard that Hugh Hefner or even Larry Flynt conducted themselves or their business in such a manner- or used underage girls, drugged them, or raped girls, or threatened/physically strongarmed female reporters. I'm no expert in them or their porn, so maybe someone who knows more could enlighten me.

What Joe Francis does, according to this article, is not a "marketing style and strategy"- sorry, you've got to be kidding. Is assault, threat of assault, rape a "strategy"?
I read the article, he sounds like a very unsavoury character and bedding that girl does strike me as bordering on rape. But the comment was in relation to the marketing strategy of selling tapes of amatuers exposing themselves over cable TV, a strategy that has made a lot of cash - that is a bit different than Playboy or Hustler and it does not by definition entail rape or assualt.
 
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