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Old 11-06-2006, 06:24 PM   #1
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Election Challenges and Voting MAchines

How many of these closely contested elections will be challenged in court because of the voting machines?

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Too many. Of course one is too many, and a challenge will be pretty much impossible to resolve with the electronic voting machines that don't leave a paper trail. Why anyone thinks this is a good idea is beyond me, unless they want to tamper.

Dreadsox, speaking of Diebold, our friend and Secretary of State Bill "chicken" Galvin is Dieboldizing MA. He's opposed by someone who is not as nutty as her up-ticket partymate and who is actually quite qualified compared to no-accountability, predicts-low-turnouts-why?, has-districts-including-Boston-being-audited-by-Feds-for-election-issues Galvin. Just encouraging you to consider other options when you vote tomorrow.
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Should be interesting here in Indiana.

You are no required to present a goverment issued I.D. to vote.

With six or seven close races, you are all but guaranteed a law suit. In fact, i would be shocked if we did not see one in Indianapolis with Julia Carson (D) and Eric Dickerson (R) (he is NOT the former Colt and Ram).
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Re: Election Challenges and Voting MAchines

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How many of these closely contested elections will be challenged in court because of the voting machines?

Thoughts?
I think it will be the big story about this election.

I think there will be voter suppression.

I think recounting memory cards will be seen for what it is
the easiest way to steal an election.
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only if the democrats lose both houses will it only then become an issue.

mark my words on that.

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Is this the US election or some banana republic? Maybe some international observers should be brought in to ensure a fair process? And this is the supposed template for democracies around the world?

I wonder how one can even have a simple recount in a tight race now? Are the officials just simply going to look at the screen and say there are the results, no recount necessary. This whole thing reminds me of the joke about the upside down writing pen and the pencil. Just because you have technology doesn't mean you have to use it in every facet of life.
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this is why i just voted absentee.
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Voting Machines Woes Cause Early Delays

By ANICK JESDANUN 11.07.06, 8:48 AM ET

Voting machines began wreaking havoc the minute the polls opened Tuesday, delaying voters in dozens of Indiana and Ohio precincts and leaving some in Florida with little choice but turn to paper ballots instead.

In Cleveland, voters rolled their eyes as election workers fumbled with new voting machines that they couldn't get to start properly.

"We got five machines - one of them's got to work," said Willette Scullank, a trouble shooter from the Cuyahoga County, Ohio, elections board.

Election officials in Delaware County, Ind., planned to seek a court order to extend voting after an apparent computer error prevented voters from casting ballots in 75 precincts. Delaware County Clerk Karen Wenger said the cards that activate the machines were programmed incorrectly.

"We are working with precincts one-by-one over the telephone to get the problem fixed," Wenger said.

With a third of Americans voting on new equipment and voters navigating new registration databases and changing ID rules, election watchdogs worried about polling problems even before the voting began Tuesday
http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds...ap3151381.html
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only if the democrats lose both houses will it only then become an issue.

mark my words on that.

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Yeah, it would never be an issue the other way around.

Never.

I'm glad you stick around to provide us with political laughs.
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this is why i just voted absentee.
I did too (I'm legitimately absentee) but who knows if that will get counted either after Florida 2000?
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Why is your electoral process so complicated and different from state to state?

In Canada, we have the same voting method across the whole country in every region. We walk to the voting place, find the correct line, verify our name on the list, they give us our ballot which is basically a list of names with an empty circle next to each name. Some of our ballots have 6-7 names on them. We fold it up, bring it outside, the volunteer rips off the perforated end or we do, and we put it in the box. Simple.

Of course, there are close races which get recounts. I think there is a difference which automatically triggers a recount too. But we don't have the extra chaos above and beyond the election of debating the polling methodology and it's merits and flaws.
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^ yeah yeah we get it. We know already.
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If anybody encounters any problems voting today…please let us know.



We have reports in at least four counties that machines are registering votes for the wrong candidates as well as other problems with ballots.



So, again….give us a heads up if this happens to you….



Also a bit of advice….hit the review button before you cast your ballot.
this is quoted from a staff email sent by one of our reporters in the newsroom....

this are going fine! go back to sleep.
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Why is your electoral process so complicated and different from state to state?

In Canada, we have the same voting method across the whole country in every region. We walk to the voting place, find the correct line, verify our name on the list, they give us our ballot which is basically a list of names with an empty circle next to each name. Some of our ballots have 6-7 names on them. We fold it up, bring it outside, the volunteer rips off the perforated end or we do, and we put it in the box. Simple.

Of course, there are close races which get recounts. I think there is a difference which automatically triggers a recount too. But we don't have the extra chaos above and beyond the election of debating the polling methodology and it's merits and flaws.
short answer - corruption


long - bull shit answer

because it is up to the individual states to determine voting laws (it's in the constitution)

this same crap answer was accepted for decades to prevent or suppress minorities from voting


I have often thought about a process that could work better

And what you do in Canada is much like what I was thinking

it really is not that hard to come up with a national system on paper that could be recounted and uniform

once one learn the process, every other voting experience would go very smoothly
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Another question, we get to leave work for up to 4 hours to go vote and still get paid on election day. I don't think this is the way it is in the US or again is it on a state by state basis?
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Another question, we get to leave work for up to 4 hours to go vote and still get paid on election day. I don't think this is the way it is in the US or again is it on a state by state basis?
no way

hourly workers tend to vote Democratic.

they must choose between waiting in line without pay

or not voting
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None of the voting machines were working when Irvine resident Hallie Willoughby went to her polling place in Irvine's University Hills at 8:30 a.m. And there were no paper ballots available in English, Willoughby said.

She said she was offered paper ballots in Chinese,
Spanish
and Vietnamese.

-- Marla Fisher

"I told him I’d come back later,” Willoughby said.

Marion Pack, Congressional candidate Steve Young’s campaign manager, said she also had received calls about voting problems in Irvine. “One of our volunteers had gone to vote at West Park Elementary School and at that location there were no machines functioning and no paper ballots available. People were being turned away without being able to vote.”

I was the second person to vote this morning in Fullerton. The system went fine until just after my final cast, then the printer went down with my votes still showing on the paper. Makes me wonder if it actually went through but I didn't have time to wait around to see what they did except that she shut down my system.

Posted by: Jackie Taylor at November 7, 2006 12:56 PM
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I think it will be the big story about this election.

I think there will be voter suppression.

I think recounting memory cards will be seen for what it is
the easiest way to steal an election.
i will concede

that my concern

seems to be in error

for which I am glad


I still do not believe in these machines
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My town still had the fill in the circle SAT style paper ballot
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Another question, we get to leave work for up to 4 hours to go vote and still get paid on election day. I don't think this is the way it is in the US or again is it on a state by state basis?
It is a state-by-state thing (much like the election styles).

I received a document via e-mail over the weekend giving managers guidance on what they need to provide their employees from state to stae for voting. Most policies seemed reasonable.

My current state did not have guidelines. This FURTHER shocked me when I stopped by a convenience store on Tuesday morning and found out you could not buy alcohol on election day while the polls where open.

SO, the state will not help you get out of work to vote...but they WILL NOT let you buy alcohol! Makes PERFECT sense.
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