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Old 03-14-2002, 09:33 PM   #21
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Lilly, it seems you can give out sarcasm/satire but are unable to understand it... I'll have Zone order you one of those pies he's so famously been hocking.

The first thing you'll learn when you get to college in any business/ethics class is that the use of any expletive to label/emphasize a position or statement immediately discredits your argument.

I don't think you understand sarcasm. Sarcasm is defined as irony intended to insult. Indeed I am a sarcastic person, I am quite able to handle sarcasm as well. This article is neither sarcasm nor satire. This article isn't really even supposed to be humorous, it's about the team who is trying to show white people what it's like to be descriminated against since we so rarely feel it. It is not sarcasm at all and I don't even see where you get satire out of it.

I fully understand the implications of using expletives in arguments. At this time, I chose to bring the consequences on because it pretty much summed up what I was thinking. And while it was an immature thought, I stand by it fully.

It's sad to see you clouded at such a young age, with so much promise to fill.

And what exactly is this supposed to mean anyway?

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funny stuff...

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Old 03-14-2002, 11:46 PM   #23
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This article isn't really even supposed to be humorous, it's about the team who is trying to show white people what it's like to be descriminated against since we so rarely feel it.
Yes!! Hooray.. Hooray.. You've got it exactly. That is the whole point.. The whole deal with the team trying to 'turn the tables' was met with Cheers, Appreciation for their Cleverness and Acknowledgements of a strange sort of humor involved in the situation, because the general populus' take on the issue was not what was intended by the team. It's a sort of an Ironic Funny Situation. Bless you Lilly.

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Old 03-15-2002, 12:08 AM   #24
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Apparently no one even feels this is funny... *SigH*.

So, when I said that the article ISN'T funny, and you said that was the point, what exactly did you mean by this comment? Satire? Sarcasm? 'Cos it's neither. So, you tell me, how do you take this as being funny?


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And you still didn't explain this comment, so could you please?




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No, the handle is perfectly fine (if a bit uninspired). I said exactly what I meant.

And the article...well, I'm afraid it's meaning flew over your head, as many things seem to--and please, this is not limited to a matter of political correctness, so don't reduce it to that.

The article states: Solomon Little Owl, director of the university's Native American Student Services and a member of the team [says] "We disagree with Native American caricatures in sports logos, but when we raise the issue, people say, 'Oh, it's not derogatory, it's meant to honor you.' So we decided to show them how it feels."

The Native Americans evidently did not appreciate the moniker the "Fightin' Reds," and attempted to prove a point. I refuse to see the humor in an entire town of whites demonstrating their appalling insensitivity. It's disgusting, actually.

You, like Greeley's whities, "don't seem to get it."



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Coming from you, however, I am more than certain that it is nothing but more of the racist and ignorant drivel that you've been spouting for months. You are the type of person I hate.
Am I the only one that sees the hypocrisy in this?
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Cheers Mug222!

I actually saw a report about this on Fox Sports last night on Jim Rome's Show. I was the one who posted the orignal thread. I did my senior thesis on the subject in undergrad. It is too bad people don't get it. Cheers to the team trying to change opinions, to bad it has fallen on deaf ears.
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Am I the only one that sees the hypocrisy in this?
No, that would be if I hated him because he's white (which I am, too).

This might help you out, Babble.

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I actually saw a report about this on Fox Sports last night on Jim Rome's Show. I was the one who posted the orignal thread. I did my senior thesis on the subject in undergrad. It is too bad people don't get it. Cheers to the team trying to change opinions, to bad it has fallen on deaf ears.
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Old 03-15-2002, 03:37 AM   #30
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Cheers Mug222!

It is too bad people don't get it. Cheers to the team trying to change opinions, to bad it has fallen on deaf ears.
Sooo.. What is it you want the 'Whitie' to do?.. Shit in our pants, while wringing our hands yelling.. 'Oh How Unfair' this is.. 'Oh How Could They Do That?'..

Like it has been posted in this forum before, Fans/Students/Irishmen themselves do not consistently put up a stink about Notre Dame being named the Fighting Irish, In fact, ND has nothing against being named the 'Fighting Irish', It's the political Correctness Gurus who raise the fuss,

So maybe the Whitie isn't offended to the point of legal action or Opening groups like the White Panthers, that doesn't mean the point has not gotten across. I'm saying I hear their point loud and clear in a different manner than the usual bylines in USA Today sports about the latest Redskin Suit, and I congratulate them on their clever and ingenius practice of going about an issue.

Buuuut.. Now if a White School were to drop out a 'Po' Boy' Team Mascot, to protest such names as the 'Fighting Irish' and others that Bubba referenced a while back, It would be yelled upon as Racist and A National Tragedy.


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I didn't find the article funny at all. Just really sad.

btw, you can leave off insulting Lilly. She's a damn smart young woman, and possesses more critical thinking skills than you exhibit on this forum, despite the age gap.
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btw, you can leave off insulting Lilly. She's a damn smart young woman, and possesses more critical thinking skills than you exhibit on this forum, despite the age gap.
Sula, in defense of lemonite, it was Lilly that started the insults. She agreed with mug222's statement of "dumb f***", and even said she'd write it herself except she's not allowed to write such vulgar things.

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btw, you can leave off insulting Lilly. She's a damn smart young woman, and possesses more critical thinking skills than you exhibit on this forum, despite the age gap.
Sula, in defense of lemonite, it was Lilly that started the insults. She agreed with mug222's statement of "dumb f***", and even said she'd write it herself except she's not allowed to write such vulgar things.
Uh, yea. So is it that I can dish out the sarcasm and I can't understand it? Or more like I can sidh out OBVIOUS sarcasm and select others can't understand it. Saying that I'd say it myself was SARCASM. It was irony with the intent to insult. Irony because Lemonite likes to pick on my being younger than him (which obviously makes me an idiot). And if you don't understand the insult part, then I'm not going to explain it. The denoted the sarcasm. Next time I will be more blatant with it. Maybe like this: *WARNING! SARCASM AHEAD!* Would that be more helpful?

What's more is Lemonite continues to patronize me due to my age. In example, the line about my having so much promise to fill. I am quite capable of thinking my own thoughts AND I don't start threads congratulating myself on such things.

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She agreed with mug222's statement of "dumb f***", and even said she'd write it herself except she's not allowed to write such vulgar things.
Well it's a good thing I am, or else he'd never hear it.
80s, you are not obligated to defend your political brethren, you know. Lilly was clearly in the right here, and Lemonite clearly pursued his policy of insults and ignorant commentary. You won't convince anyone otherwise.



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Lilly, I see the sarcasm in the "only in high school" part. I see that. But the fact remains that in this thread, YOU started the insults by saying "well said" to mug222's "you're a dumb f***".
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Well it's a good thing I am, or else he'd never hear it.
80s, you are not obligated to defend your political brethren, you know. Lilly was clearly in the right here, and Lemonite clearly pursued his policy of insults and ignorant commentary. You won't convince anyone otherwise.

Politics?.. That's all you're saying this is.. You did write in your post a mention that you disagree with everything I say. Hmm.. I'm sure that factored into your explosion of vulgarity. I did not insult Lilly in any manner, I said I was sorry to see her follow down that path of 'name calling' a policy I do not endorse (Lilly's acknowledgement as 'Oh Great Statement Mug', but i'm not going to 'quote unquote' write it because I'm too young, is the exact same thing as writing Mug's Words herself). I will make fun of people's statements, or crack jokes, but there's always reason, or a little line in the post that mandates such.. Never Blatant 'You Asshole', or 'You a Fucking Jackass' with no further explanation.

If you disagree with my commentary, then state your opinion, calling things 'ignorant' and such gets you no wheres, because, Honestly, Who knows what the intention of that team was by naming their mascot a 'Fighting White'. Of course, the 'Wannabe' groups that were referenced above will be infuriated by the fact that people are not appalled by such a move by the intramural team. BUT.. maybe just maybe perhaps, the Intramural team was trying to change an opinion by using humor and light heartedness to bypass the serious fighting and Assholeness that can surround such issues in the mainstream spectrum. Maybe I'm the one who 'got' the joke while seeing the deeper issue, and your blind eye to the cleverness is the ignorant action.

So, In that case, my acknowledgement of such an act by the Intramural Team as a clever and funny way of going about it, is exactly what they wanted, I've already posted above that I got their 'serious' message, but in the meantime, I enjoyed their originality in their methods.

80's was not trying to convince anyone of anything he was just pointing out where the insults started. This is not a political battle of one side lining up against the other.. I'm sorry that that is a large pot of gas (Made up of W's Statements, conservative Ideals, and Rush Limbaugh's Sweat Towel) below the fire you've been feeling towards me, but there are no conservative/liberal political battles here. Sorry, go check out the Campaign Finance Reform thread if that is what you wish. Don't bring 80's into your vehemence which is fully directed at me.

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80s, you are not obligated to defend your political brethren, you know. Lilly was clearly in the right here, and Lemonite clearly pursued his policy of insults and ignorant commentary. You won't convince anyone otherwise.
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I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm right about lemonite. What I'm doing is defending him. Someone called him to the carpet for insulting Lilly, I simply stated that Lilly started it.

And you, with your "dumb f***" post in the first place...you're no innocent here. Listen, even though I agree with almost everything lemonite posts, I find myself sometimes diagreeing with his side shows (the way he presents the posts). But even so, I've never seen lemonite go so far as to tell someone on the forum (someone he doesn't even know) that he HATES them. In fact, I'll go so far as to say I've never read anyone at Interference tell anyone else that he/she hated him/her. It's absolutely ridiculous. To me, that's worse than any insult I've ever read from anyone. And believe me, I've had insults hurled my way.
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I feel like I'm running in circles so this will be my last post in this thread.

I'm not sure why you want me to sugarcoat my statement. Obviously I can't judge a person completely over the internet, but if Lemonite in person is anything like Lemonite online, then I would hate him. It's simple, it's true, and that's all there is to it, really. Not only have I disagreed with every single stance he's taken here (with nary an exception), but I'm disgusted with his methods of argument: belittlement, personal insults, and a generally uncaring attitue. (hence my "dumb f***" comment, wherein I attempted to satirize dear lemonite by reducing myself to his level...obviously he "didn't get the joke," as he likes to say.)

A final comment on the racial issue: You say once again that
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"maybe I'm the one who 'got' the joke while seeing the deeper issue"
but I seriously, seriously doubt that. Whatever humor you see should be quickly dissipated by the disgusting attitude of the town's whites. The Native American student's may have introduced a clever scheme, but you should understand that what humor you may derive from that pales in importance in relation to the underlying issue, and I fear that you honestly don't understand that. Matthew Page attempted to enlighten you about the gravity issue, but once again it eluded you entirely.

A final point: As much as I would like to believe that this issue is beyond the political realm, it simply is not true. Take whatever idealist viewpoint you want, but I guarantee you that there is a divide between Conservative and Liberal thinking on this matter.
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The Native American student's may have introduced a clever scheme, but you should understand that what humor you may derive from that pales in importance in relation to the underlying issue, and I fear that you honestly don't understand that. Matthew Page attempted to enlighten you about the gravity issue, but once again it eluded you entirely.

A final point: As much as I would like to believe that this issue is beyond the political realm, it simply is not true. Take whatever idealist viewpoint you want, but I guarantee you that there is a divide between Conservative and Liberal thinking on this matter.
Mug, You stepped even below me with your 'name label' insult.

As I have written in this forum before, I do understand the underlying issue, and as I have POSTED before, such team names should be removed due to the 'heartbreak' and 'anger' they incite in certain groups. I was and still am congratulating the Indian/Hispanic/Anglo team for using a different method to get their point across... That is all , and ever was all I was saying.

I posted above that I understood MAP's analogy, in fact I've heard something to that extent before, and as I have POSTED before, I do feel that the anger and pent up horrified feelings these team names may bring out is more than a just cause to have them removed. In fact, let's burn all the Peter Pan DVDs while we're at it due to their 'red man' indian stereotype.

So.. Whatever the Indian's were aiming at, the message was heard by a large majority of people.. You honestly think that they didn't interview any whites who responded in such a manner, "Well I think it is an excellent way to get their point across, using a less conflict laden way to make a point." I'm sure of course they did, but that doesn't make for good gossipy reading.

Again, In regards to your attempt to turn this into a 'Partisan Battle', by accusing 80's of just sticking up for a fellow conservative, That is what I was referencing as a 'Last Gasp' effort to try and shoot down anyone who disagrees with you, by making and blaming it only on politics. I never said this isn't a 'political' issue, It's just not a 'political' issue in this THREAD. There's a difference, That's an attempt to try and turn the focus of the argument, and It had no bearing on the current direction of the argument.

It's nice to hear From you Mug, I've never seen you post anywheres on this forum before, but I would like to hear from you more if you have such strong feelings, It'd be a benefit to this board, and gives more credibility than the 'troll' label. I'm not belittling you or insulting you, just giving you a truth.

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