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Old 12-12-2002, 05:22 PM   #21
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we can't seem to investigate any potential scandal (re: Cheney's energy policy papers) because it isn't patriotic anymore
good fucking point.

you will see, by the end of the 7th year (no way Gore has a chance) we wil lbe indicting, and scandalizing the Republicans in office now.

By the way Diamond, GWB is simply a puppet (but you know that right?)

The only thing he could run, is around the back of the house to get some more BBQ...
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I agree with Dreadsox (also on the part about affirmative action). The thing is, if jobs are indeed always given to the most qualified people, then why is it that most of those jobs in the higher hierarchies are held by white men? Are they naturally better qualified for these kinds of jobs? Or is it because people of other (ethnic) groups just need some time to keep up and balance the equation, or is something else going on?
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Condi Rice is better quailfied for the job than that whitey B. Showcroft from the previous administration.
Affirm that..

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I cant stand when people complain about not enough races being in a certain job, cabinet, house whatever. Did anyone ever think that we voted these people in? Which race gets voted in the most? White. Why because they run more. Did anyone ever think that it doesnt matter if what color they are. Even if they are white?

My brother has been trying to get into the firefighting here. For 4 years now he has tried. He has all the crudentials and even has things alot of others dont. But because he is white, 23-26, and male he has the worst chance of getting in. Give me a fucking break here people. They wont take the most qualitfied person. If its me in a burning building i want some who can drag me out or climb 90 flights of stairs.

If Rice is qualified then who cares if she white black gay or male? Do it not depend on her qualifications? I dont want a black leader for the simple fact he's black. I want a leader who is great!

Diamond i dont know what you have againist everything liberal but it seems you need a little help man. Do you obsess over people with differing opinion all day or only here.
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If Rice is qualified then who cares if she white black gay or male? Do it not depend on her qualifications? I dont want a black leader for the simple fact he's black. I want a leader who is great!

Diamond i dont know what you have againist everything liberal but it seems you need a little help man. Do you obsess over people with differing opinion all day or only here.
Actually I dont have anything against liberals, only some of their policies..one such policy that is detering your brother from a job he wants..

My post about Condi was satire but you missed the point, Mr. bonofellow..

George Bush picked her because she was the most qualified..period.
Liberals would argue a different point.

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I agree with Dreadsox (also on the part about affirmative action). The thing is, if jobs are indeed always given to the most qualified people, then why is it that most of those jobs in the higher hierarchies are held by white men? Are they naturally better qualified for these kinds of jobs? Or is it because people of other (ethnic) groups just need some time to keep up and balance the equation, or is something else going on?
Indeed.
Is it really because the disadvantages begin way before your working life commences?
Here, the differential treatment does seem to lean more in favour of the other side of the argument. It is not equality to have quotas in employment based on racial background.
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Can youuuuuu say-
Chrstine Todd Whitman?

Yeah, we women can be proud of Christine Todd Whitman, who is little more than a figurehead at the EPA and has allowed some of the most embarrassing environmental policy in recent history to pass through without so much as a whimper. She's right up there on my list of role models.

(Condi Rice, okay, I'll give you that one. There was a great cover story about her in Newsweek this week. She's a cool gal.)

But just because a woman (or a black or a Hispanic or a gay person) happens to hold an office of high power or visibility doesn't mean that women or blacks or (whatever) should have to get all worked up about it. I'm less than thrilled with some female government officials and I wouldn't mind if they were replaced by men who I think are more intelligent or progressive or hardworking. Christine Todd Whitman's appointment to head of the EPA means little if anything to me because she's doing a lousy job.
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Condoleza Rice and Christine Todd Whitman are only 2 among how many?
Isn't Elaine Chao the current Secretary of Labor? I thought she was female, but I may be mistaken.

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Here's the way it works, folks:

A "liberal" Democratic administration can appoint whoever the hell they want to their staff, case closed.

A "conservative" Republican administration is held to a different standard to the point that people practically demand an exact proportion of population diversity or else it is offensive. And beyond that, all of these people on the administration MUST have views that are LIBERAL! Yes, Christin Todd Whitman's policies closely mirror those of President Bush; well, she serves on HIS cabinet, not Ted Kennedy's!

Give it a rest. Every attempt has been made by this administration to represent the diverse population of the U.S., and I think they did a pretty damn good of it and appointed some VERY qualified people at the same time.

I disagree with President Bush's choice to visit Bob Jones University, but it is a stretch to say that he only became President because of this despicable action.

President Bush has rebuked Senator Lott for his pro-Dixiecrat/Thurmond remarks. I do not think Senator Lott should be Majority Leader.

Bush's Administration also recently weighed in on a Supreme Court case involving the Ku Klux Klan and their "right" to burn crosses in order to express racial hatred. The case involved a Virginia state law banning cross burning. President Bush's administration, via Solicitor General Ted Olsen, supports the Virginia law due to the racial hatred that cross burning expresses.

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what melon said.
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Old 12-12-2002, 11:35 PM   #31
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FYI-
1-Sec of Agriculture-Ann Vinneman
2-Sec of Interior- -Gale Norton
3-Sec of Labor- -Elaine Chao
4-EPA- -Christine Todd Whitman

5-Warrior Princess
and part time
P.R. handler- -Condi Rice

6-Special Pillow
talk Advisor/
Counselor- -Laura Bush

..more to follow...

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is there any doubt GW is not a lady's man?
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Very good, Diamond. I simply didn't have the time or will power to research the gender, ethnic background, religion, blood type and eye color of each member of the Administration's cabinet to prove the point, but I think by listing the women in office you have illustrated that part quite well.

As I stated earlier, none of these people will ultimately be a "credit" unless they are liberal themselves. In fact, Bush's administration may be more diverse than Clinton's was, but it doesn't matter. Bush has an "R" next to his name, not a "D".

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. In fact, Bush's administration may be more diverse than Clinton's was, but it doesn't matter. Bush has an "R" next to his name, not a "D".

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W/that statement,u some up my point succintly-sp Bama

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Ok let me get this straight.

Diamond, you started this thread, saying that Bush was a very open person to having different races and sexes on his cabinet. The people like melon, who said he doesnt think that weigh in. As i read through the posts i really didnt find an overwhelming disagreement of your statements.

So what the fuck is the thread about?

Are you trying to puff your chest because the guy you support is doing a good job. Great. I am happy. If anyone goes out and actively seeks all people for their cabinet then GREAT. But i dont understand what you and Bama are trying to prove. No one is really disagreeing with yous. You gave us 6 ppl who are women that work for Bush. So? Are you trying to ssay the enemy doesnt have enough?

I really dont understand what you are debating!!

It seems like you think your guy did a good job and are trying to through it back into everyones faces.

Really it seems kinda sad.

And reading you and Bamas last posts it actually kind of humourous!!
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Ok let me get this straight.

Diamond, you started this thread, saying that Bush was a very open person to having different races and sexes on his cabinet. The people like melon, who said he doesnt think that weigh in. As i read through the posts i really didnt find an overwhelming disagreement of your statements.

So what the fuck is the thread about?


I really dont understand what you are debating!!



And reading you and Bamas last posts it actually kind of humourous!!
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the point is this, you dont get it because you dont live here.

The point is what Clinton tooted his horn for, Bush hasnt.
Bush quietly assembled his team, without fanfare.
Clinton didnt.
Bush never mentioned who he appointed.
Clinton did.
Bush's team seems to be more honest with less lawbreakers and scandal.
So thats what this thread is about.


You would prolly understand it if you lived here.

And u dont live here so u dont get it, so that is kinda sad..
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Bush's team seems to be more honest with less lawbreakers and scandal.
So thats what this thread is about.


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Yes, they are more honest and brazen about being warmongers and in the pocket of corporate America (including oil).

Because of September 11, 2001 they don't have to hide behind a semblance of "We the People".

I do respect Condolezza and think she is great. If not for Colin Powell we'd already be in Iraq.
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So..
Perhaps Bush listens?

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I think he's making a semblance of listening. Meanwhile we are deploying carriers, and personnel.

If he was really listening he would here the latest poll saying we are willing to fight Iraq, but only with a coalition and UN support. Not just Tony's.

It will be interesting to see how he handle's North Korea's latest statements. We may all be celebrating a nuclear winter by Christmas.
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I think he's making a semblance of listening.

. We may all be celebrating a nuclear winter by Christmas.
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now u r really sucking up..

the 2nd statement= fearmongering..

ps-it was the nobel peaceprize winner Jimmy Carter who gave N. Korea a passing grade and thumbs up, claiming everthing is "A-OK" w N. Korea.. a few years back..w/Clinton's blessing..
Good job Jimmy
Good job Bill

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now u r really sucking up..
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the 2nd statement= fearmongering..
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I think it ins't fearmonger, but a legitimate concern. Especially since Bush announced yesterday he would use them. Even if it is a scare tactic.

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ps-it was the nobel peaceprize winner Jimmy Carter who gave N. Korea a passing grade and thumbs up, claiming everthing is "A-
OK" w N. Korea.. a few years back..w/Clinton's blessing..
Good job Jimmy
Good job Bill

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Things may have changed or become more extreme since then. They don't actually have nucs yet, but yes they are trying. That doesn't change Bush's extremist policy. Why even bring them into the conversation? The past has no relevance to this discussion about Bush.

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