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Old 04-04-2008, 09:29 AM   #81
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My thought is if he was so disgusted with the policy he would have quit the military as a conscientious objector.

That he served even though he didn't like the policy and was fighting to overturn it makes him a solider first and an activist second, which is why I admired him.


His job was harder because of the circumstance he was in surely, but that does not supercede the fact he could of quit once the military implemented DADT.

He chose to be a soilder first and actvist 2nd, no matter how you slice it and we should be should be thankful as his countrymen for his service, end of story.

No need to start a pecking over KIA because of a soilder's conflict with certain military policies-when they die in the line of service.

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i think for him, being a soldier *was* being an activist.
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i think for him, being a soldier *was* being an activist.
That's fine, but it got him killed, which is heart wrenching.


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Old 04-04-2008, 11:14 AM   #83
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That's fine, but it got him killed, which is heart wrenching.


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i have no idea what you mean by this.
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I think he could have done more outside of the military (if it's meant to be) and still be alive today.

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I think he could have done more outside of the military (if it's meant to be) and still be alive today.

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do you have any idea whatsoever how hurtful your comments are?
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I think he could have done more outside of the military (if it's meant to be) and still be alive today.

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My god, the more you post, the worse it gets...

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I suppose diamond is accepting the notion of these lives in Iraq being lost in vain?
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nevermind.
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I suppose diamond is accepting the notion of these lives in Iraq being lost in vain?
I'm looking at this soilder's desires objectively and pragmatically and how he could have been more successful of what he felt his life's calling was.

In my view being an "interloper" (archaic meaning please) in the service wasn't his best or most effective move for his cause -that's all.

I love him for being a soilder first and foremost and appreciate his sacrifice.

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I'm looking at this soilder's desires objectively and pragmatically and how he could have been more successful of what he felt his life's calling was.

He felt his life calling was to be a soldier, but you(and so many others) obviously don't want him there, so now he should change his "calling"? Why, your bigotry? Please.

There's nothing objective or pragmatic about your stance, so don't even try to pass it off as that...
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He felt his life calling was to be a soldier, but you(and so many others) obviously don't want him there, so now he should change his "calling"? Why, your bigotry? Please.

There's nothing objective or pragmatic about your stance, so don't even try to pass it off as that...
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Name calling only makes you look weak.

Being a soilder has with it certain sacrifices that you are required to make, some more difficult more than for others, as in his case.

He was cognizant of this- he chose not to abide by the military's regulations.

Had he abided by those regulations he could have lived his life longer and persued his goals more effectively.



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Name calling only makes you look weak.

Being a soilder has with it certain sacrifices that you are required to make, some more difficult more than for others, as in his case.

He was cognizant of this- he chose not to abide by the military's regulations.

Had he abided by those regulations he could have lived his life longer and persued his goals more effectively.



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you honestly have no idea of what you are talking about.

he wasn't "out" in the military in a way that would have violated DADT, but he worked within the military, within the system, within the accepted parameters, to end DADT. there are straight soldiers who do the same thing -- they aren't gay, but they disagree with the policy, so they seek to get the military to change from the inside out.

however, all of his friends and family outside the military knew he was gay. in fact, many in the military knew he was gay, but you have to specifically violate DADT for it to become a problem. he obviously never did that. so he really was a soldier, who was gay, and who thought that by being the best soldier he could be he could change the minds of those who support DADT.
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Name calling only makes you look weak.

Being a soilder has with it certain sacrifices that you are required to make, some more difficult more than for others, as in his case.

He was cognizant of this- he chose not to abide by the military's regulations.

Had he abided by those regulations he could have lived his life longer and persued his goals more effectively.



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Name calling?

Then what does not knowing what you are talking about and doing it with such authority make one look like?
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you honestly have no idea of what you are talking about.
Never stopped him before.
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An "interloper"? Wow

Irvine explained it to you, please rethink it
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Wow -

I guess MLK was an inerloper for trying to change the system as well! Well, maybe they should have left the country and changed it from the ouside, since the rules and regulations were in place in the south - they were interlopers for not obeying.

Damn trouble makers.
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Excellent point Dread, however MLK was born here without a choice, people have a choice whether to serve in the military or not.

MLK completed his mission the right way, within the framework of the law more or less, predicted his own death and ultimately gave his life for his cause and did this-consciously.

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Wow -

I guess MLK was an inerloper for trying to change the system as well! Well, maybe they should have left the country and changed it from the ouside, since the rules and regulations were in place in the south - they were interlopers for not obeying.

Damn trouble makers.


That's what he's been saying all along. Ungrateful traitors.
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twisting and perverting the intent and meaning of well written posts=shameful.

interloper:
3. Archaic
a. One that trespasses on a trade monopoly, as by conducting unauthorized trade in an area designated to a chartered company.

as for me this discussion is over.

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Do you promise? Pretty please? Maybe we can start having some productive discussion then!
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