foray
Rock n' Roll Doggie
I read some racist comments from politicians on the same website, too. Sigh... some folks just don't GET it.
foray
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Does stupidity (like this here) still shock you, as it does me?
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I read some racist comments from politicians on the same website, too. Sigh... some folks just don't GET it.
foray
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brettig
New Yorker
thats gotta be a joke, surely
@ some people
Angela Harlem
Jesus Online
"What worries me is what happens to the mind of a Bible-reader after he reads of, for example, Onan having sexual intercourse with his dead brother's widow and deliberately "spilling his semen on the ground."8 What sort of ethic does that teach young people reading these words, I ask? "
Use a towel?
"What sort of ethic is taught from a book that describes a woman "seizing another man's genitals", and prescribes that "you shall cut off her hand; show no pity"?9 It's most un-Christian, that's what it is!"
It is definately more Christian to kick a man in the nuts. Dont grab!
"Why, one book [The Song of Solomon] even contains poems that glorify a love affair between two unmarried persons! Instead of the Christian view of sex - as a life-long commitment of love within a stable relationship - we read such sexually explicit descriptions as "Your two breasts are like two fawns,"11 and "They played the whore in their youth; their breasts were caressed there, and their virgin bosoms were fondled,"12 and "My beloved thrust his hand into the opening, and my inmost being yearned for him."13 "
Hmm, he has never read any Joan Collins trash.
I thought Christian were big readers of the bible?
Use a towel?
"What sort of ethic is taught from a book that describes a woman "seizing another man's genitals", and prescribes that "you shall cut off her hand; show no pity"?9 It's most un-Christian, that's what it is!"
It is definately more Christian to kick a man in the nuts. Dont grab!
"Why, one book [The Song of Solomon] even contains poems that glorify a love affair between two unmarried persons! Instead of the Christian view of sex - as a life-long commitment of love within a stable relationship - we read such sexually explicit descriptions as "Your two breasts are like two fawns,"11 and "They played the whore in their youth; their breasts were caressed there, and their virgin bosoms were fondled,"12 and "My beloved thrust his hand into the opening, and my inmost being yearned for him."13 "
Hmm, he has never read any Joan Collins trash.
I thought Christian were big readers of the bible?
AM
Refugee
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Not George Lucas
Acrobat
That's pretty funny. What site did you find it on? It doesn't sound Landover-esque.
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Truth is offensive.
I'm morally opposed to rape, and I would never rape anyone, but I think, ultimately, it's up to the rapist and no one else.
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Truth is offensive.
I'm morally opposed to rape, and I would never rape anyone, but I think, ultimately, it's up to the rapist and no one else.
pax
ONE love, blood, life
Oh, come on. That has to be from the Onion or something.
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If you cannot live together in here, you cannot live together out there, let me tell ya. --Bono
You've got to cry without weeping, talk without speaking, scream without raising your voice... --Bono
cloudimani
Acrobat
yes and Harry Potter promotes interest in the Occult to unsuspecting children...
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look at the moon t-t-t-t-t when a horse runs through dark waters then the pig has no legs.
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Hewson
Blue Crack Supplier
If word gets around that the bible is loaded with "depraved pornography", "sexual toys", "incest" and such....lots more people might start reading it.
I knew it was humor the minute I read it, but the article makes a lot of sense factually. The Bible would be considered an obscene book, if it had not been a holy book, full of enough violence and sex to tip off modern censors.
Melon
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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time
Melon
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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time
foray
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Thank goodness. Looks like I'm the one who didn't 'get it'. I'm not used to that sorta humour.
foray
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Achtung Bubba
Refugee
No problemo, foray.
Angela Harlem
Jesus Online
Thanks Bubba for your research. I have to admit, humour aside, it got me wondering. Because it is a book of faith, does that mean it should escape censorship?
BabyGrace
Refugee
"studies done around the world have shown the link between reading the Bible and sexual crime."
that part was highly hilarious
that part was highly hilarious
Achtung Bubba
Refugee
Shock of shocks... it's fake.
In a search that took two seconds I discovered the source:
A website called The Kumara, an ADMITTED "humor" site.
Foray, check your sources before you start bandying about declarations that others "don't get it".
In a search that took two seconds I discovered the source:
A website called The Kumara, an ADMITTED "humor" site.
Foray, check your sources before you start bandying about declarations that others "don't get it".
Salome
you are what you is
this is my fav bit
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HeartlandGirl
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
Oooh, great point! (Can't wait to use that argument against hard-core Christians advocating censorship...)
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Achtung Bubba
Refugee
Well, the Bible shouldn't be censored because censorship is on the whole wrong. There are obvious exceptions (slander, statements that pose a "clear and present danger", etc.), but the Bible simply doesn't qualify.
But let's say, for the simple sake of argument, that I'm a "hard-core Christians advocating censorship."
(Freudian use of "hard-core", I'm sure.
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If I DID advocate something like the censorship of pornography, would I be a hypocrite?
NO.
The reason is this: the Bible isn't porn. Certainly, most people who try to clearly define pornography have to use circular arguments ("I know it when I see it," etc.), but only the most ludicrously strict definitions of the word could cause you to suspect the Bible.
Certainly, all pornography involves sex, but not all works that involve sex are porn:
* Biology textbooks, which explain the processes of reproduction.
* Government documents, which explain which sexual acts are and are not legal.
* News paper reports on the passage of such laws.
* History books that talk about the passage of such laws.
* Biographies that discuss the sex lives of its subjects, etc.
The Bible falls into the category of books that involve sex but is not pornography for a few reasons: Like a biography, it mentions the sexual activities of its central characters (David, etc.). Like a legal code, it maps out what its practitioners believe moral and immoral. Unlike pornography, it's not in the least bit titulating (you ever read THE BIBLE to get off?). And unlike pornography, it clearly details the punishments of those who violate its law.
A similar attack on the Bible could be made about its excessive violence, but the same defense is used: it's comparable to a history book that details famous battles, and it's clearly not done to titilate the reader.
The only obvious reply is that, regardless of its intent, it COULD be used for pornographic purposes (a la Alex in "A Clockwork Orange"). My answer to that a simple, "So what?" A high school yearbook can be likewise corrupted.
So, while I personally don't believe in censorship, Christians who believe in it are not necessarily hypocrites.
Something you might want to keep in mind before you start attacking them.
But let's say, for the simple sake of argument, that I'm a "hard-core Christians advocating censorship."
(Freudian use of "hard-core", I'm sure.
If I DID advocate something like the censorship of pornography, would I be a hypocrite?
NO.
The reason is this: the Bible isn't porn. Certainly, most people who try to clearly define pornography have to use circular arguments ("I know it when I see it," etc.), but only the most ludicrously strict definitions of the word could cause you to suspect the Bible.
Certainly, all pornography involves sex, but not all works that involve sex are porn:
* Biology textbooks, which explain the processes of reproduction.
* Government documents, which explain which sexual acts are and are not legal.
* News paper reports on the passage of such laws.
* History books that talk about the passage of such laws.
* Biographies that discuss the sex lives of its subjects, etc.
The Bible falls into the category of books that involve sex but is not pornography for a few reasons: Like a biography, it mentions the sexual activities of its central characters (David, etc.). Like a legal code, it maps out what its practitioners believe moral and immoral. Unlike pornography, it's not in the least bit titulating (you ever read THE BIBLE to get off?). And unlike pornography, it clearly details the punishments of those who violate its law.
A similar attack on the Bible could be made about its excessive violence, but the same defense is used: it's comparable to a history book that details famous battles, and it's clearly not done to titilate the reader.
The only obvious reply is that, regardless of its intent, it COULD be used for pornographic purposes (a la Alex in "A Clockwork Orange"). My answer to that a simple, "So what?" A high school yearbook can be likewise corrupted.
So, while I personally don't believe in censorship, Christians who believe in it are not necessarily hypocrites.
Something you might want to keep in mind before you start attacking them.
U2002revolution!
War Child
mwahahahahaha! that made me laugh uncontrollably !
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