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Old 08-08-2002, 11:54 PM   #21
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Isn't it "Even better than the real thing...child"

speedracer, I take too many risk already. A few hundred more wont hurt.
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REMIXMIXMIXMIXMIXMIXMIXMIX,child

i like to sing and express my own feelings about the songs
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Isn't it "Even better than the real thing...child"

speedracer, I take too many risk already. A few hundred more wont hurt.
Ok, but I'll bet that not too many of them involved an eternity of fire, brimstone and being poked with sharp sticks.
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nobody likes it when I sing. Same goes for the way I dance.
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back to the original q.

If you are a christian and live a true christian life,
If you are a jew and live a true jewish life,
If you are a muslim and live a true musim life,
If you are a buddhist and live a true buddhist life,
If you are a bahai and live a true bahai life

if you live the way God tells you to live, youŽll get into heaven. There is no religion that can claim to be the only, right one thatŽll get you into heaven.
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AM, I was looking on about.com and found some stuff about the Bahai faith. You guys have great religious tolerence.
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back to the original q.

If you are a christian and live a true christian life,
If you are a jew and live a true jewish life,
If you are a muslim and live a true musim life,
If you are a buddhist and live a true buddhist life,
If you are a bahai and live a true bahai life

if you live the way God tells you to live, youŽll get into heaven. There is no religion that can claim to be the only, right one thatŽll get you into heaven.
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AM, I was looking on about.com and found some stuff about the Bahai faith. You guys have great religious tolerence.

check out www.bahai.org if youŽd like to know more
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There is no religion that can claim to be the only, right one thatŽll get you into heaven.
And yet there are many that do.

Jesus himself said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

What's up with that?
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And yet there are many that do.

Jesus himself said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

What's up with that?
My interpretation is that he was the way, the truth, the life for the people in his sphere at that time and that there is always a living son of god present serving different cultures at different times. Hence, the great masters of all religions. Sadly, they are often not recognized by the masses until they are long dead.
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My interpretation is that he was the way, the truth, the life for the people in his sphere at that time and that there is always a living son of god present serving different cultures at different times. Hence, the great masters of all religions. Sadly, they are often not recognized by the masses until they are long dead.
Then why didn't Jesus just tell it that way? I don't get the guy. Why didn't he just say, "look, I'm the way the truth and the life, no one in this culture at this time gets to the Father, except through me." For goodness sake, he said this less than 24 hours before he was killed. "His time" only had a day left. I mean, he had to know that people were gonna write this stuff down, and it would get heard by people in other cultures and other times. His own disciples started telling people from other cultures this stuff within a couple weeks of his death. It sure seems like he meant this for everyone.

And in the verse we all know thanks to the signs at every public event, John 3:16, Jesus said he was the ONLY Son of God.

I think Jesus was totally intolerant of other religions. And yet, he claimed to be all about love.

Again I ask, what's up with that?
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and joyfulgirl, let me be clear that if I sound a little frustrated, it's only with the enigma of Jesus, not with you or your interpretation. It's all good.
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Who is Jesus?

AM has said the the most clear and accurate point in this thread.
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and joyfulgirl, let me be clear that if I sound a little frustrated, it's only with the enigma of Jesus, not with you or your interpretation. It's all good.
I hear ya.
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Then why didn't Jesus just tell it that way? I don't get the guy. Why didn't he just say, "look, I'm the way the truth and the life, no one in this culture at this time gets to the Father, except through me." For goodness sake, he said this less than 24 hours before he was killed. "His time" only had a day left. I mean, he had to know that people were gonna write this stuff down, and it would get heard by people in other cultures and other times. His own disciples started telling people from other cultures this stuff within a couple weeks of his death. It sure seems like he meant this for everyone.

And in the verse we all know thanks to the signs at every public event, John 3:16, Jesus said he was the ONLY Son of God.

I think Jesus was totally intolerant of other religions. And yet, he claimed to be all about love.

Again I ask, what's up with that?
Maybe he did say all that. The Bible is incomplete as the Council of Nicea determined which books would be included. Many were deleted. Not to mention all its translations, etc. I can't answer your question and I feel your pain.
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And yet there are many that do.

Jesus himself said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

What's up with that?
Well, we Christians believe that Jesus was the Son of God. A better translation of "Son of God" might be "of the same nature as God." He was literally God incarnate. So it would make complete sense for Jesus to say something like that.

So while I believe it might be possible for persons who do not profess Christianity or profess a different religion to enter heaven, it won't be their religion that gets them in. It will be Jesus who gets them in, whether or not they recognize it.
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I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one gets to the Father except through me.

...that being the very first thing that came to mind upon reading this thread title.

I personally don't really understand how all religions, who all worship different gods, are all "right." If they're all "right," then don't all of these gods exist? And if all of these gods exist...oh no i've gone cross eyed.
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I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one gets to the Father except through me.

...that being the very first thing that came to mind upon reading this thread title.

I personally don't really understand how all religions, who all worship different gods, are all "right." If they're all "right," then don't all of these gods exist? And if all of these gods exist...oh no i've gone cross eyed.
I believe there is one ubiquitous God expressing Itself in all languages, in all cultures, through different sons of God (masters, saints, teachers etc.) Devotees of many different teachers have exactly the same kinds of experiences today and throughout history with their teachers as the disciples did with Jesus.
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I believe there is one ubiquitous God expressing Itself in all languages, in all cultures, through different sons of God (masters, saints, teachers etc.) Devotees of many different teachers have exactly the same kinds of experiences today and throughout history with their teachers as the disciples did with Jesus.
Are you sure about that?

People these days are seeing their teachers use a picnic basket to feed over 5,000 people? People are seeing their teachers walk on water? People are watching their teachers die, and then watching them walk around a few days later?

We aren't seeing those things everyday.
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