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Old 09-05-2002, 11:35 PM   #21
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To be a patriot is a good thing , but to be a slave of dirty lies and disinformation is much worse case .

Sing about how good is your country , people , flag , soul etc is one and very good thing .
but to make cd's and fame on 9/11 theme and make money about it , compose songs with lyrics full of hate against different races , people and countries , that's not right .
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"New York, New York" by Ryan Adams...?
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uh, i hope bubba can still respond to this thread...

or is that no longer possible?
nope.
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I think patriotic songs or hymns were very useful in olden days when soldiers were forced to line up for field battles, fighting with swords, bayonets or muskets... but back then was intended to raise the spirits of men who were facing attrition and almost certain death -- this was not intended for selling records or for wide-spread propoganda, this was about trying to keep your troops going in the final hour, making them at least feel for a minute that they weren't dying for nothing
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That's hilarious!

The 'music' is just a cover up.. this thread is spewing politics.

Nice sig..
It might be now, but because of deathbear's impetus, not Bubba's.

It's a shame that this thread has now been taken away from Bubba.
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oh, im sorry speedracer.

btw, he contacted me via the messenger thing here, and all is all.

speedracer, again, do not start anything here with me, UNLESS you want to talk about the topic at hand.

you can question my opinions but do not question my intellect.
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Well, if this thread is censored, I may as well write a private message to Bubba.
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oh, im sorry speedracer.

btw, he contacted me via the messenger thing here, and all is all.

speedracer, again, do not start anything here with me, UNLESS you want to talk about the topic at hand.

you can question my opinions but do not question my intellect.
I wasn't trying to start anything with you here.

I questioned neither your opinions nor your intellect.

All I said was that your tirade resulted in the mods taking Bubba's thread away from him. Do you deny this?
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a few things...

do i think theres room in rock for pro war rock songs?

i wouldnt listen to it, and why would anyone else want to? would that make you feel good about listening to songs of anger directed at saving your fatherland and crushing all who appose it? the way you throw america and God together, everytime you post, (im not gonna lie and im not gonna hide how i feel) pisses me right off. God gives NOT ONE SHIT about stupid boundaries mere humans have layed out to divide each other.

why is this even a question? are you so possessed with war that this is all you think about? why arent you in the army or something?

the war on terrorism is a rediculous term. for one, the united states of america have inflicted far more "terror" on innocent people in afghanistan than everything that happened on 9/11.

how many people died in ny, pa, and washington? 3000 people, correct?

how many died in afghanistan as a result of allied bombing? 5000-6000...correct?

how many have died in iraq due to sanctions that OBVIOUSLY arent helping, cause if they WERE, then the us wouldnt have to worry about saddam gathering weapons of mass destruction and the need to remove him, then would they?!

ALLLLLL this leads to one thing: WHYYYYY SHOULD there even be pro-war songs at all?! who on earth would want to listen to a battle cry for vengeance?

if your such a good christian do you not believe that you should act as Christ would?

im sorry, i have just watched another war movie, and i simply cannot hack the thought of people wishing to create more chaos in an already chaotic world.

and one last thing...

who gave ANY country the right to decide who CAN and CANNOT bear weapons of mass destruction? who gave ANY country the right to decide which leader is capable of ruling a different land of people?
Bear-
-Why is it you lash out at Bubba?

Why is it you predictably put the blame on Americans?
-Osama is responisible for the deaths of his countrymen by his actions in our country.
You may have had an argument if we went to Afganistan unprovoked..we didnt.

Same w Saddam
-Heres a fellow who beheads members of his own family
-Butchers his own ppl w nerve gas
-Has his countrymen killed at will, those that oppose him..

but ITS OK for him to have nukes..riiiiiiigt

and you..
go around making threads drawing correlations between Bush/Hitler..

Bear, where is your head?
Your fasination w Nazis and WWII also is odd.
Many of us are here are concerned for you Bear..

Leave Bubba alone

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Well, Bear, I am not concerned...

Hey Diamond! Why are you concerned?

Ummm... and whatīs your opinion on the theme of this thread?

And can someone tell me why Bubba hasnīt answered my PM yet?
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Re: Bear-Help us understand..

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Why is it you predictably put the blame on Americans?
-Osama is responisible for the deaths of his countrymen by his actions in our country.
You may have had an argument if we went to Afganistan unprovoked..we didnt.
America bombed Afghanistan. Five to six thousand innocent people in Afghanistan were killed. They were killed by American bombs. Now you can debate whether America was right to bomb the country or not but surely you can't debate whether or not those deaths were caused by America?

Imagine if America attacks Iraq. Say they kill another five thousand innocent people, most likely even more than that. Would Bush then be to blame if American citizens were hurt in any retaliation from Iraq? After all, they wouldn't be acting unprovoked either...
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And can someone tell me why Bubba hasnīt answered my PM yet?
he may not have signed on since you sent the pm. if you go to the pm section (under user cp), there's a folder (i forget the name, ugh...) *goes to check* message tracking. if you look at the pm you sent bubba, it'll show you the day and time of the last time he logged in. hope this helps!
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he may not have signed on since you sent the pm. if you go to the pm section (under user cp), there's a folder (i forget the name, ugh...) *goes to check* message tracking. if you look at the pm you sent bubba, it'll show you the day and time of the last time he logged in. hope this helps!
Wow. I am impressed. You must be the total internet freak.
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Re: Re: Bear-Help us understand..

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America bombed Afghanistan. Five to six thousand innocent people in Afghanistan were killed. They were killed by American bombs. Now you can debate whether America was right to bomb the country or not but surely you can't debate whether or not those deaths were caused by America?

Imagine if America attacks Iraq. Say they kill another five thousand innocent people, most likely even more than that. Would Bush then be to blame if American citizens were hurt in any retaliation from Iraq? After all, they wouldn't be acting unprovoked either...
Why did America bomb Afganistan, Fizzing?
Was it because The Taliban/AlQueda -those murderers were there?
Those ppl who guard the coward Osama were there?
or
Did America just do it for fun?

Help us w the correct answer..


Yes they bombed Afganistan
Why?
America was provoked?
Will America help the victims, eventually victims of the bombing campagns..history indicates we will, we usually do..
Will Osama help the innocent of 9/11?
I doubt it.

No I dont think Bush will b the blame if Iraq retaliates..

Saddam hasnt complied w the UN Sauntions as he agreed to..
You may wanna blame GW tho

I keep forgetting what a bastard country the USA is
I keep forgetting of all the blessings we have of free speech
Keep forgetting how we can sing/dance/converse/pray here..FREELY
What a f#cked up country the USA is
Thx for reminding me Fizzing-

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Why did America bomb Afganistan, Fizzing?
Was it because The Taliban/AlQueda -those murderers were there?
Those ppl who guard the coward Osama were there?
or
Did America just do it for fun?


They bombed Afghanistan because they wanted to kill members of Al Qaeda and prevent the organisation from operating anymore. Like I said in the previous post - you can debate about whether they were right to use military force, whether it was successful, but surely you can't debate about whether the thousands of people killed were killed as a result of American military action.

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No I dont think Bush will b the blame if Iraq retaliates..


But you just said Osama bin Laden was responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people in Afghanistan because he provoked the United States. Why the double standard when the US itself is the initial aggressor?

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Saddam hasnt complied w the UN Sauntions as he agreed to..
You may wanna blame GW tho


You know what other country hasn't complied with UN resolutions? Israel. Of course Israel gets $3.5billion in US aid each year despite that. Iraq gets devastating sanctions, frequent air strikes and the threat of a massive war.

Also - it seems that sometimes it's the people who are most critical of the United Nations who are first to use the fact that Iraq violates UN resolutions as a justification for attack. (I'm not necessarily saying you've argued this, diamond, it was just a general observation.)

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I keep forgetting what a bastard country the USA is
I keep forgetting of all the blessings we have of free speech
Keep forgetting how we can sing/dance/converse/pray here..FREELY
What a f#cked up country the USA is
Thx for reminding me Fizzing-

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Well if you say so. I'm not sure quite where you found those sentiments in my original post though. Perhaps you'd like to clarify.
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haha diamond, a few people are concerned for ME? after all the stuff you post, you dont think the same could be said about yourself?

history is knowledge. i was insanely obsessed with the roman empire and everything about it about 7 years ago.

why does that concern you?

because i see similiarities between one group and the other and i post about them makes me "odd?"

look diamond, and the others...

if the us so desperately wants to take out ALL terrorism, when are they gonna go after china? huh? they have no human rights, theyre a "communist" country.

when are they gonna take out the terror in cyprus? the turks invaded north cyprus in the 70's, and when the greeks begged for help, they were turned away. why? cause the us has no interests there.

it all comes down to the us being unable to present any or sufficent evidence that they are in fact a force to be dreaded. and to be honest, the outside world would DEFINATELY see the us as being the aggressor if a war would begin.

*can hardly wait for the war to begin and see his gas prices soar above a dollar a litre
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Wow. I am impressed. You must be the total internet freak.
i guess you could say that!
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when are they gonna take out the terror in cyprus? the turks invaded north cyprus in the 70's, and when the greeks begged for help, they were turned away. why? cause the us has no interests there.
Well I am not concerned about diamond. Stop this, you two, okey?

In the meantime (I didnīt know it either) Cyprus has become a very interesting place, also for U.S. agents and diplomacy from all over the world. It seems that Turkey produces/ imports/ exports incredibly much opium, shipped to Sicily where Mafia got the laboratories to make heroine out of raw opium. Then transported to the European markets (f.e. one stop is a turkish EMBASSY, the author says - can you believe that). And everyone who takes part in this little game makes a load of cash, shhhhh!!!

It is a very interesting book I am reading. Narcoterrorism et al. You know, the weapons for drugs - deals.
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Saddam helped fund Osama.
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Ppl pay money to post some of these things u sexy


Oh sorry about your friend Cyprus too...
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Saddam helped fund Osama.
Bear-
Ppl pay money to post some of these things u sexy


Oh sorry about your friend Cyprus too...
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Well that doesn't exactly answer any of the questions I asked you. Nevermind though Can you give us a source on the info you just posted?
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