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Old 11-19-2007, 02:18 PM   #21
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it would appear that the criminals moved across the river to camden.

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Camden's always been more dangerous than Philly. It was number one a few years ago. In fact, it's fallen to five, and Philly's moved up 8 spots to 21, so Philly is catching up.

Philly's murder rate is the highest, isn't it?
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:28 PM   #22
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No, Philly has the 9th highest murder rate (27.7 murders per 100,000 residents). Detroit's is highest (47.3 per 100,000 residents). Baltimore, New Orleans, Newark, St. Louis, Oakland, DC, and Cincy all have higher murder rates than Philly.
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Thanks for the stats.

Maybe it's just seemed like it lately. It's a mess downtown.
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Old 11-19-2007, 05:48 PM   #24
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I've never been to Detroit, but based on what I've heard from other people, that's not that surprising. I do find it slightly surprising that Denver isn't in the top 10, but hey, I'm not exactly complaining about that. Wonder where they'd rank?

How should we respond to the arguments that lists like this don't help matters, that they're not comparing things properly? I think there may be some merit in those arguments, but at the same time, do the reasons for why crime rises in a certain area really differ from place to place? It usually seems like it's the same few factors-poor economy, tension among certain groups of people, stuff like that.

In the meantime, everyone who lives in and around the Detroit area, as well as any other places that are a bit dodgy, stay safe, okay ?

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Don't forget that Sterling Heights and Troy, two Detroit suburbs, are in the top 20 safest cities to live in (based on the 2007 infoplease list).

Detroit has some pretty damn posh suburbs!!

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html
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I'm surprised (and happy) that NJ is listed twice on the safe list!
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Don't forget that Sterling Heights and Troy, two Detroit suburbs, are in the top 20 safest cities to live in (based on the 2007 infoplease list).

Detroit has some pretty damn posh suburbs!!

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html
It certainly does.

Too bad most of the people who live there don't want to spend their money in the city.
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damn riots, urban decay, crack, and gangs.
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:08 PM   #29
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I do find it slightly surprising that Denver isn't in the top 10, but hey, I'm not exactly complaining about that. Wonder where they'd rank?

How should we respond to the arguments that lists like this don't help matters, that they're not comparing things properly? I think there may be some merit in those arguments, but at the same time, do the reasons for why crime rises in a certain area really differ from place to place? It usually seems like it's the same few factors-poor economy, tension among certain groups of people, stuff like that.
Denver is the 87th "most dangerous" city (out of 371), according to their rankings (the complete lists are available here).

As far as criticisms, the most common ones leveled at this particular rankings series seem to be that A) they weight all six crime types considered equally; and B) there tends to be a built-in bias against older cities, since their (typically lower-crime) suburbs are less likely to count towards the crime stats for the city proper than those of younger cities, whose suburbs are more likely to be incorporated. In terms of "reasons," population densities, education levels, age demographics, family demographics, size and operating budgets of local law enforcement agencies, variations in reporting practices, and even climate are all often cited by criminologists, in addition to the two you mentioned.

Personally, I tend to think those are mostly questions of nuance, and not sufficient cause to dismiss the whole thing so long as it's kept in mind that it's only a very broad-stroke snapshot of where the biggest trouble spots are. But, I'm not a criminologist.
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For the most I certainly don't feel like I'm living in a dangerous place. There are certain parts of Oakland I definitely know to avoid, but Oakland is a big city.
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My city is still in the top 25 safest
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