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Absolutely real 10 18.87%
Probably real 2 3.77%
It's real, but you have to invite evil influences into your life 8 15.09%
No, not real; anyone claiming this is a mental case. 28 52.83%
There is a good force and a bad force in our universe-a person has to decide which force they choose to serve 2 3.77%
diamondbruno#9, do you have your own church and gospel? 3 5.66%
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Old 03-14-2008, 03:54 PM   #81
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ha.

gay ppl now arbitrarily assigning people to different psychological boxes.

i love you little irvine.


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what does my being gay have to do with it?

i'd still be unable to be duped by the P.T. Barnums of contemporary religion if i were straight.

and i'd actually be rather offended at your comment if i didn't think you were hot. for an old straight guy.
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Jon Edwards has been discredited and shown to be a fraud by quite a few.
only 35 % of the time.
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The case of the autistic kid, he started mumbling in several different languages because he had memorized what he heard from TV.
then there's an explanation for it.

but what about the tempature changing in the room and stuff flying around?

dimissing everything shows close-mindedness.

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sex are usually the activities that take place in my lucid dreams...
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Like I said people see what they want to see. Someone throwing themselves off of a bed due to a tick or seizure, some will grab on to and see that as levitation. It's like if you had 10 people witness a crime, different people will focus on different things due to what's important to them. One woman may have noticed his shoes, one his face, one his jacket, etc etc. But if you have 10 neo-nazis witness a crime they'll notice he's black(even if we wasn't, there's an actually experiment similar to this). So people's biases will often convert what they saw into what they wanted to see.
Agreed.

Often though, it's not necessarily as intentional as you've made it sound with "what they wanted to see." We each view things from our own unique frames of reference, and sometime, depending on whether or not there's motivation to intentionally mislead present, any errors or misinterpretations of events are unintentional.
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and i'd actually be rather offended at your comment if i didn't think you were hot. for an old straight guy.


that's why i did it, i knew i could get away wit it.

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Agreed.

Often though, it's not necessarily as intentional as you've made it sound with "what they wanted to see."
Well it sounds like you guys are intentionally seeing what you want to see sort of reverse group hysteria..group denial..

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Agreed.

Often though, it's not necessarily as intentional as you've made it sound with "what they wanted to see." We each view things from our own unique frames of reference, and sometime, depending on whether or not there's motivation to intentionally mislead present, any errors or misinterpretations of events are unintentional.
You're right, I wasn't trying to be literal when I wrote that...
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Well it sounds like you guys are intentionally seeing what you want to see sort of reverse group hysteria..group denial..

You know that's not what I meant.


I've taken an honour's seminar about the mechanisms of memory and perception, and it was fascinating.
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You're right, I wasn't trying to be literal when I wrote that...
I figured that. I just wanted to clarify for, um...certain other people.

It's very likely that at least some of these people genuinely believe that they're seeing demonic possession. But the bottom line is, they're not.
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then there's an explanation for it.

but what about the tempature changing in the room and stuff flying around?

dimissing everything shows close-mindedness.

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When people are in stressful scenarios, like if I saw a guy who had a seizure right there on the street, their body temp will rise, therefore if I was looking for it, I could say I felt the earth's temp go up at that very moment; therefore global warming caused this man's seizure.

Why is it that these levitations or speaking in tongues never get caught on tape? Now of course all these things could be faked, but you would think these days at least one person would pick up their cellphone, and we could at least argue if there were strings or not...
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Why is it that these levitations or speaking in tongues never get caught on tape?
isn't it the Pentecostals that are big on "tongues"

I have seen lots of tapes


they all claim to be speaking in extinct, ancient languages


but, linguists can not make any thing of them?
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Mitt's hair is demon possessed
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isn't it the Pentecostals that are big on "tongues"

I have seen lots of tapes


they all claim to be speaking in extinct, ancient languages


but, linguists can not make any thing of them?
Yeah, there's actually a lot of "tongues" and excorcisms caught on tape, but I really meant were the levitations, things spinning in the room, the voice that couldn't ever be replicated by a human; those types of things.

Speaking in tongues and having convulsions are too easy to fake, give me something new...
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isn't it the Pentecostals that are big on "tongues"

I have seen lots of tapes


they all claim to be speaking in extinct, ancient languages


but, linguists can not make any thing of them?

I attended a Pentecostal church for several years and most of the speaking in "tongues" I witnessed and heard consisted of the same or very similar phrases repeated over and over again.

I was and still am of the opinion that these people were caught up more in the power of suggestion than they were in any kind of supernatural state. Whether they were aware of it or not, I believe they were just repeating nonsensical words or phrases they had heard other church members saying in the midst of a very frenzied style of worship. In other words, the speaking in tongues seemed to be contagious, rather than a spontaneous "supernatural" act.

Ancient extinct language? Doubtful.
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23, the number of the Illuminati, how original.

I've never had lucid dreams. Just some dreams where I dreamt I would punch, and then actually really punched and hit things beside my bed.
And sometimes, right in the state of falling asleep, I would dream to fall over or something like that, and then it would feel like I do so and I would wake up again. That's fun in a strange kind of way.
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I would dream to fall over or something like that, and then it would feel like I do so and I would wake up again. That's fun in a strange kind of way.

I get those "falling" then wake up dreams, too.


They say humans are only born with two fears:


falling

loud noises

all others are learned. (HELL, skin color, disco music, etc.)
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The problem with all of this, at its core, is that it is always based on specious and/or weak evidence.

In terms of its relation to the Catholic Church, there is likely no insistence that believers accept the existence of demon possession. Plus, when it comes to things like Marian apparitions, they are taken by the Vatican especially skeptically, and only after they are satisfied by sufficient proof that it cannot be explained by any non-supernatural explanation will they accept that it is worthy of belief.

Basically, while demonic possessions and whatnot will always hit a point where it boils down to personal faith, supporters are just flat-out going to have to do their homework and do the scientific research required and offer it up to the scientific community. That will also include offering up such "possessed" people to the field of conventional psychiatry. There are strong indications that people who are under extreme guilt and who believe it is possible to be possessed by a demon can degenerate into such a psychiatric state as to act out what they think such a "possession" would be like. Such hysteria is similar to those during the era of the Salem Witch Trials, who, believing it to be possible for witches to wreak havoc on their lives, most passionately would believe that they had seen witches. Likewise, it appears that only those who believe that demon possessions can happen ever seem to get "possessed."

There is considerable reason to be skeptical.
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I was and still am of the opinion that these people were caught up more in the power of suggestion than they were in any kind of supernatural state. Whether they were aware of it or not, I believe they were just repeating nonsensical words or phrases they had heard other church members saying in the midst of a very frenzied style of worship. In other words, the speaking in tongues seemed to be contagious, rather than a spontaneous "supernatural" act.
It is likely a group trance-like state. Many African tribes have similar rituals. Repetitive actions quite clearly can have an effect on the mind, and can be induced consciously.
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