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Old 07-10-2007, 07:30 PM   #21
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Perhaps you could try explaining why you don't agree there's an irony instead of taking the easy way out?
i do not need to explain. i don't discuss other people's personal lives. who he screws is his and his wives' business. we thought cheney and the republicans are bad? look at this nonsense that larry flynt and the democrat party is doing. they are just as bad. don't give me this b.s. as the democrats not being corrupt. they are, 10x worse.
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The irony is that while you are saying it is no one's business what goes on in these conservatives' marriages, those very same conservatives are trying to make it their business what happens in other people's marriages. And to make it worse, they are doing it in the name of protecting the sanctity of marriage, when they themselves are guilty of destroying that very same sanctity in their own marriage. And yet you defend them.

If recognizing that makes me a third-class scum of a citizen (excellent debate tactic, btw), then I'd be interested in what your definition of a first class citizen is.
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You can't be liberal, that's a 2nd-class citizen at best.
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The irony is that while you are saying it is no one's business what goes on in these conservatives' marriages, those very same conservatives are trying to make it their business what happens in other people's marriages. And to make it worse, they are doing it in the name of protecting the sanctity of marriage, when they themselves are guilty of destroying that very same sanctity in their own marriage.

If recognizing that makes me a third-class scum of a citizen (excellent debate tactic, btw), then I'd be interested in what your definition of a first class citizen is.
Yes, I am not arguing that. This has nothing to do with gay marriage. This has everything to do with a Madam selling her list to Larry Flynt. Gay marriage and having sex with a prostitute are totally different things. It is ultimately another way for Democrats to snitch and try and show the corrupt side of the Republicans. However, this all does come back to haunt them. Do you think that the Republican party doesn't have their watch-dogs sniffing now? The Democrats are setting theirselves up for a huge disaster, and I am sure that the Republicans are waiting for just the right time to disclose it.

What a man and woman does is not our business. Unfortunately, man and man is not in the law book yet, so we can't comment on that. He might be against gays, but that has nothing to do with him screwing a stripper and having some Hustler screwball outing him.

I admire him for revealing to the world before Flynt did. Hear hear. Shame on the Democratic Party. They have become a bunch of low balls who have nothing better than to try and dig up stuff on people. Why don't they pass some issues first.
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As far as I know Democrats are on that list either. I doubt it is any organised revelation by the Democrats.

As far as the Democrats having become "low balls who have nothing better than to try and dig up stuff on people", well, the problem is, both parties are sadly using this tactic (just watch some of the TV ads during the last elections) of insulting the other party, which means both parties would have become "low balls who have nothing better than to try and dig up stuff on people."

There would be an easy way out: Legalise prostitution.
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This has nothing to do with gay marriage.

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He might be against gays, but that has nothing to do with him screwing a stripper and having some Hustler screwball outing him.
I disagree. The conservatives are claiming they are trying to preserve the sanctity of marriage by opposing same sex marriage, yet they clearly don't hold the same standard of sanctity in their own marriages. I do agree that it was good that he at least had the guts to publicly apologize despite the fact that it was possible his name wouldn't have been revealed, but it does not excuse the fact that he publicly crusaded for the sanctity of marriage while at the same time destroying his own. The Democrats may be trying to capitalize on this and show that this is corrupt, but the simple fact of the matter is that it is corrupt to campaign for the sanctity of marriage while destroying it yourself.

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Shame on the Democratic Party. They have become a bunch of low balls who have nothing better than to try and dig up stuff on people. Why don't they pass some issues first.
Now honestly, do you think the Republican party doesn't constantly try to dig stuff up on people? Unfortunately that's a large part of what politics has come down to these days - who can dig up the more damning stuff about the opposing side. It is ugly and it is wrong, but you can't seriously claim it's the fault of only one side.
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I disagree. The conservatives are claiming they are trying to preserve the sanctity of marriage by opposing same sex marriage, yet they clearly don't hold the same standard of sanctity in their own marriages. I do agree that it was good that he at least had the guts to publicly apologize despite the fact that it was possible his name wouldn't have been revealed, but it does not excuse the fact that he publicly crusaded for the sanctity of marriage while at the same time destroying his own. The Democrats may be trying to capitalize on this and show that this is corrupt, but the simple fact of the matter is that it is corrupt to campaign for the sanctity of marriage while destroying it yourself.



Now honestly, do you think the Republican party doesn't constantly try to dig stuff up on people? Unfortunately that's a large part of what politics has come down to these days - who can dig up the more damning stuff about the opposing side. It is ugly and it is wrong, but you can't seriously claim it's the fault of only one side.
If the senator in question was a Democrat, the Republican party would be foaming at the mouth to use this against the Democrat in question and trying to capitalize on it, so that point struckpx, is moot.

You don't see the hypocrisy here?

as Diemen pointed out but it does not excuse the fact that he publicly crusaded for the sanctity of marriage while at the same time destroying his own



I concur with Diemen
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If the senator in question was a Democrat, the Republican party would be foaming at the mouth to use this against the Democrat in question and trying to capitalize on it, so that point struckpx, is moot.
Exactly. And there is the distinct (and, let's face it, likely) possibility that there will be a Democrat revealed soon. I wonder if the Republicans will show the same restraint struck thinks everyone should be showing in this case.
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Now honestly, do you think the Republican party doesn't constantly try to dig stuff up on people? Unfortunately that's a large part of what politics has come down to these days - who can dig up the more damning stuff about the opposing side. It is ugly and it is wrong, but you can't seriously claim it's the fault of only one side.
Did I say they didn't. But, the Democratic party has become the true leader in that, when in all honesty, it should be the conservatives. I just don't view Democrats digging this type of stuff up and supporting it. Maybe people have changed. My views of the Democratic Party is one that advocates for people's rights, but also does it cleanly. The current party has not done that. They will do anything to sell out a republican.

not very democratic if you ask me.
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I find the Republicans much more ruthless when it comes to digging up dirt. Just look what Bush did to McCain, another Republican, in 2000. And then to John Kerry in '04.
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You can't run a ticket on the sanctity of marriage, and try to make others second class citizens, while you yourself aren't upholding the sanctity of marriage.

What part of that do you not understand?
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I find the Republicans much more ruthless when it comes to digging up dirt. Just look what Bush did to McCain in 2000.
I do as well.

But recently I find the Democrats to be much worse, when both sides have much to dig. I actually think the Conservatives and moderates will run a cleaner campaign this year than the democrats. they have become savages. We saw this in the last debate, with Edwards going after Obama and Clinton almost every chance he got, vice versa.

Yes, it was wrong of him, and no one is saying it isn't. Is it our business? No. If any of you are interested in his personal affairs that is disturbing.

Most importantly, the Democrats should be ashamed because they ultimately had to buy this list to publish it. I hope that you are happy that you have probably ruined their marriage Larry dickhead Flynt. Go film some more porn and contribute to society, you dirt bag.
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Amazing how you can ignore easiest statements.

And Vitter's marriage won't be destroyed. As he said himself he opened up to his wife, took some counselling and they are still together.
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Most importantly, the Democrats should be ashamed because they ultimately had to buy this list to publish it. I hope that you are happy that you have probably ruined their marriage Larry dickhead Flynt. Go film some more porn and contribute to society, you dirt bag.
Okay, let me get this straight: Digging up dirt on other party members and making it public = bad, horrible, and shameful.

Name calling (a.k.a mud slinging)and making it public = okay in your book.

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Well, I'll just say that the GOP Senator is a Schmuck for cheating on his wife. It's wrong. Period.

The Hollywood elite garbage always makes me laugh. The 'Hollywood Elite' for the majority are just people who stand in front of a camera and say words written for them by other people.
Very rarely do they give or contribute much besides "their celebrity" to a cause or crisis. Those who do should be applauded. The rest should stick to what they get paid to do.

And as for The Senator from Louisiana, I'd like to remind him that the American people are alot smarter than they're given credit for which is why I guess we all decide when to change the Constitution.

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Struck, focus on this case, without pointing the finger outside for just a moment, and answer these questions:

If you advocate for the "sanctity" of marriage and how it only can occur if gays aren't allowed to, does it make sense to go and bury the same sanctity?

Does it make sense to worry so much about homosexual relationships and then suddenly turn to this and say, "It's not my place to discuss this kind of thing. What people do in their relationships is none of my business?"
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