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I don't know what to think about this, but I do know that based upon what I have seen of him on that Surreal Life show I have serious doubts about his ability to string a few coherent sentences together :wink:


Boston Herald
By Anita Davis
Monday, April 2, 2007

The decision to invite flesh king Ron Jeremy to Simmons College this week to debate pornography is a “dreadful mistake,” charged one feminist whose criticism is backed by angry students who say his industry glorifies sexism.
Some Simmons College students and professors are outraged that Jeremy, a porn star past his prime who has starred in more than 1,000 adult movies and reportedly bedded more than 4,000 women, will debate author and feminist Susan Cole about the place of pornography in society Tuesday.
“He is a person affiliated with an industry based on racism, classism and sexism,” said 21-year-old Simmons senior Dana Bialer. “He’s a white male who is very rich and has gotten very rich from pornography, and because of that he doesn’t have the ability to speak accurately on the topic.”
Bialer, who is pursuing a major in women’s studies , said the debate on whether pornography is a detrimental factor in society is an important discussion, but Jeremy’s celebrity appeal will detract from the seriousness of the issue.
Some of Jeremy’s credits include “Nasty Pants,” “Stripper Nurses” and “Dana Lynn’s Hot All Over.” His new book is titled, “Ron Jeremy: The Hardest (Working) Man in Showbiz.”
“We really need responsible speakers coming in on this issue,” Bialer said. “The gender issues are going to be lost because Ron Jeremy, through VH1’s Surreal Life and his book tour, is sensationalized, and it’s going to take away from the topic.”
Dr. Gail Dines, a Wheelock College professor who is one of the leading experts on pornography criticism, said Jeremy should not be included in the debate because he is not an academic on the issue but a paid industry participant.
“Under no circumstances would I debate him, no matter how much money they gave me,” she said. “It’s a dreadful mistake for any principled person to debate Ron Jeremy because he’s basically riding on their credentials. He comes only as a man with personal experience who has made a lot of money out of it. ”
Some students and administrators said they welcome the debate as a way to facilitate discussion, even if they disagree with Jeremy’s chosen occupation.
“I don’t think he’s going to catch so much personal animosity, but he’s going to get some very thoughtful questions from some very smart girls who will have done their homework,” said Gerry Koocher, dean of Simmon’s School of Health Sciences who will be moderating the debate.
 
Who better to defend the industry - apart from the obvious issues of free speech mainstream porn is big business.
 
yolland said:

She's a journalist and writer, not an academic, if that's what you mean.

Yes, the people there are complaining about his celebrity and that he is from the business.

She, on the other hand, is a feminist, and earns money through publishing texts and probably selling books.

Both are very biased I think, and both can need the publicity, and both have agendas.
Only that he is from the adult film business, and she is a journalist.
 
One of the two pastors behind XXXChurch.com debates Jeremy frequently at colleges. The interesting thing is they've become pretty good friends and Jeremy even thinks what XXXChurch is doing is beneficial. :hmm:
 
^ Yeah, I think the Jeremy/Cole debate is part of a speaking tour too.
Vincent Vega said:
Yes, the people there are complaining about his celebrity and that he is from the business.

She, on the other hand, is a feminist, and earns money through publishing texts and probably selling books.

Both are very biased I think, and both can need the publicity, and both have agendas.
Only that he is from the adult film business, and she is a journalist.
I think the objections raised in the article have more to do with him having bona fide star power to draw upon with college audiences, an advantage feminist journalists don't generally have. Other than that I agree with you.
 
BrownEyedBoy said:
From what I saw of him in the Surreal Life he seems like nice guy to hang out with, I didn't expect that from him.

I agree with you, I'd rather hang out with him than that dipsh*t VanWinkle..:yuck:
 
Some say he's a master debater :wink:

I heard last night that they're paying him 6 grand for the debate, maybe that's how he makes a living now after Surreal Life. Does he still do pornos?:|
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
“He’s a white male who is very rich and has gotten very rich from pornography, and because of that he doesn’t have the ability to speak accurately on the topic.”

:|

What a stupid thing to say.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
These days?

In his younger days he was quite the specimen:

ronjeremy_johnholmes.jpg
 
yolland said:


I think the objections raised in the article have more to do with him having bona fide star power to draw upon with college audiences, an advantage feminist journalists don't generally have. Other than that I agree with you.

Well, ok, I think a feminist will really find it harder to gain such a "star power".

But I also think that the students there already have in a way an opinion. I hope so, since it's a university.

I think, if she is a good debater he will stand no chance, except he is also a very good one.
 
X-citing night at Simmons: Skin-flick thespian’s visit gets some hot
By O’Ryan Johnson
Wednesday, April 4, 2007 - Updated: 02:37 AM EST

Legendary smut film star Ron Jeremy is used to all-women venues, but this one was more academic than most.
“The Hedgehog,” as he’s known in the blue movie biz, was met by a handful of anti-porn protesters when he showed up to debate feminist author Susan Cole about the merits of his sordid trade at Simmons College in the Fenway last night. But the star of more than 1,000 adult titles said he was preparted for much worse.
“It wasn’t as hostile as I thought it was going to be. The girls who really picketed the event and had a problem with it didn’t show up ... they didn’t make it to the event,” Jeremy said, leaving the debate riding shotgun in a livery car with Cole in the back seat. “I thought it was going to be a lot worse.”
In fact, he said, during a show of hands inside the debate, only four people - all men - said they were anti-porn. And there were more supporters outside who thought it was just fine to let a porn star say his piece.
“Everyone needs to hear two sides of a debate. Ron Jeremy is here to present a side that is not spoken for,” said Stacia Humphries, 25, a teaching assistant at the college.
A shrill trio of demonstrators was less open minded.
“The white, heterosexual rich man is the one at the top and they’re the ones who benefit from everything,” said one outraged anti-porn protester.
“We don’t need to hear from people who benefit from sexism, racism and classism,” the protester said.
Meanwhile, eight students from Emmanuel College - loudly pro-Ron - tried to gain entry but were turned away.
They had to be content with shouting “Ron Jeremy for President!” and “Ron Jeremy is my baby’s daddy!”
The debate was sold out and the media were barred. Only Simmons students and faculty were allowed inside.
Departing the venue, Jeremy and his adversary Cole shared a car, which she said was only possible because they’ve faced off so many times.
“We do have a level of mutual respect,” she said. “I think otherwise there would be no way to function in this atmosphere. I still disagree strongly, I think pornography is exploitive. I feel passionately about my subject.”
Meanwhile, Jeremy - known as the Hedgehog because he is short, fat and hairy - could face battery charges in Miami after he allegedly reached into an autograph seeker’s bra and grabbed her breast.
Jeremy said while his adult film career is winding down, his fight for porn freedom would not abate.
“I think porno has a right to exist. I think porno has a right to be defended,” he said. “I’m not even as involved in adult films as I used to be since the reality shows came along . . . but I still feel it has a right to exist and deserves to be defended.”
 
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