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'Counselling can change homosexuals'
I couldn't believe this story when I first heard it.
__________________A gay man in the area we live in was attacked and the wife of our First Minister, who is also an MP/MLA, was asked for her comments on a radio show. She suggested that gay people can be changed if they seek counselling and has defended her comments by saying she was "defending the word of God". Links: Homophobic assault victim calls for Robinson resignation - Ireland - Breaking News - Belfast Telegraph BBC NEWS | Northern Ireland | 'Gay counselling' call rejected Quote:
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Well, given that it's the Robinsons, I'm surprised that you're surprised.
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that video is the most disgusting thing i've seen in ages
it disturbs me that someone who actually has a proper education manages to smile while comparing homosexuals to murderers and other sinners and tops it all off with saying that she doesn't feel she said anything wrong because it's not her opinion but "the word of God" it's sickening ![]()
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"How can anyone take issue with the word of God?
We are to love the sinner, not the sin." |
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i wonder if we could counsel heterosexuals?
the are two women i can think of who'd like to be done with men but, dammit, they just aren't into va-jay-jay. maybe counseling could help them? |
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If anyone needs any proof of the real world consequences of comments like these, they should sit in, in one of my shifts at the Samaritans...we got quite a few calls relating directly to her comments. NI has it's own little twisted version of the bible belt.
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Every documentary I have seen on the subject tells me it just takes some funky music.
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a person basically born as being gay, straight or bisexual? That sexual preference is already predisposed? How would therapy change this?
I am a heterosexual female and all the "shrinks" in the world would not turn me gay. From a very early age, I liked males. My first crush was Paul McCartney as a little girl. No one say you have to feel this way. It was just natural for me to do so. |
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In other words, there are those that will believe any sort of nonsense, contrary to the reality, because they refuse to accept that their worldview is wrong. As such, there are those who steadfastly refuse to believe that homosexuality is not a choice or a part of nature, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary (i.e., the observation of homosexuality in animals, anthropological observations of homosexuality in native tribes that had no contact with the West or missionaries, logical theories posited on the nature of genetics which are currently being pursued and confirmed, and from--you know--actually talking with gay people), and will continue forward believing in their nonsense until the day they die. |
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Funny how some people use the "nature" argument for homosexuality, as in it is predetermined before birth, but as for other things, like the ones you mentioned, they are definitely not predetermined. The essentialist argument seems to stop with homosexuality, because people are so reluctant to think that *gasp* God forbid they raised a homosexual person. I don't see the big deal. To me, sexuality should be a fluid thing and shouldn't be so one-way or the other. Yes, there is homosexuality in other groups of humans and in animals. I know some people are born knowing they are not attracted to the opposite sex and knowing from a very young age they will be homosexual. But, what about people who feel that they don't want to limit themselves to one side of sexuality, which I think has soo many factors. Humans seem to want to limit sexuality to just a small selection of boxes.
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I think part of the problem is equating any sexuality to sin. Many view gay sex as sinful, they think about it in the same way that they (especially straight men ) think they must choose not to act on their sexual desires. That is, to have sex with as many young, random females as they can. They choose not to act on their preference for these sexual activities. They choose to control it, to be celibate, or to be monogamous, stay with the same routine sex partner. if sexuality is sinful, then others can label some of us, sinners. Remove the sin from sex and the "house of cards" collapses. |
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