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You know, I can't even discuss crimes involving little babies. I'm completely irrational about them. There's a part of me that wants to explain it, that these young girls who do this are little more than babies themselves, that they're out of their minds, that they're not consciously murdering their babies...but on the other hand I want to go on a cuss-laden rant that won't do anyone any good.
__________________I guess it's a tragedy more than anything else. How do you prevent this? How do you keep these girls from getting all the way to term without anyone noticing and stepping in? |
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While I do find these stories to be horrific and while I agree that these girls must be made to take responsibility for their actions, my heart goes out to the fourteen year old girls who go so completely ignored that their parents are unaware that they are nine months pregnant.
I think what happens is that once a child hits a certain age it might seem to some parents that they are ready to start taking care of themselves and making important decisions when in reality no one is more in need of guidance than a fourteen year old girl. |
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Charming.
Sorry. I don't care who you are or what upbringing you've had. To flush a crying baby down a toilet denotes an utter lack of humanity. |
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I would think that some Christian charity would apply in this situation, rather than judgment. |
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I don't think anyone was trying to excuse this behaviour, just shed some light on the fact that are obviously some other HUGE issues involved here...
A blind person could see that. |
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Sorry. There is justifiable, understandable, forgiveable behavior. This is not it. |
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At some point people are responsible for their actions. At 14 years old, I'm pretty sure you're aware that you are committing murder. That is what this girl has done.
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Yes, what this girl did was horrific, but something drove her to do that. Maybe she was terrified of someone finding out she had a baby. Maybe society's reaction or her parents' reaction to a pregnant teenager drove her. Maybe something biochemical affected her. I am not saying we should excuse this girl as though nothing happened, but if you're saying you are a committed Christian, you should practice all of it, not some of it. |
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If you want to discuss the Christianity of defending the most defenseless of human beings, Jesus said things like, "Those who lead children astray should be dropped off a cliff with a millstone around their neck." (Mark 9:42) Doesn't sound very Christian, does it? But if true religion is to look after the case of the widow and the orphan (James 1:27), and someone murders them, what shall we then do? Laws are in place for a reason -- to protect the innocent (Romans 13), and there is nothing more innocent than a newborn baby. This girl is going to be fine as far as the state is concerned. She's a minor. She's not going to be prosecuted for murder. At worst she will be put in some kind of juvenile detention until she's 18. We're talking about a newborn baby -- born alive, mind you, we're not even talking about a fetus -- who was flushed, crying, down the toilet. Forgiveness does not excuse one from their crime. |
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See the litany of justification above involved in rationalizing why she did what she did -- a poor home life, neglectful parents, chemical imbalance, etc. There has been more sympathy expressed in this thread for the "poor girl" who flushed her baby down the toilet, than the dead baby itself. And interestingly, the sympathy for the dead baby seems to be remarkably back-handed -- "While this is obviously a shame..." etc.
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there are multiple tragedies here.
__________________one of which is the death of a baby (for some reason, i had thought it was stillborn when i first heard about this), in a horrific manner. the other tragedy is that this is a girl who was pregnant at 14, and no one noticed? she had no one to tell? did she fear she'd be beaten, abused, disowned, if she told someone? |
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