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Cindy Sheehan Arrested by Capitol Police
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apparently she unfurlled an anti-war banner while inside the house chamber (she was invited as a guest by a democratic representitive), which is apparently against house law
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Did she unfurl her T-shirt?
cjboog
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The shirt say like 2,242 dead, how many more?
Honestly I don't get what is so wrong about wearing an anti war shirt, she was a guest and is entitled to her right to free speech.
Honestly I don't get what is so wrong about wearing an anti war shirt, she was a guest and is entitled to her right to free speech.
deep
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a middleage woman gets arrested for wearing a t-shirt
yep, freedom is on the march
yep, freedom is on the march
nbcrusader
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Perhaps she can save her shtick for her run against Hillary.
nbcrusader
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deep said:a middleage woman gets arrested for wearing a t-shirt
yep, freedom is on the march
A seemingly reasonable limitation, the absence of which would lead to perpetual disruptions during nation-wide speeches.
OP
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^
what that guy said.
what that guy said.
Irvine511
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i have such mixed feelings on Ms. Sheehan.
i admire her chutzpah, i admire her being a pain in the ass of W, i admire how silly and stupid she made him look while camped out last summer, i admire her willingness to take her son's death and transform it into something that she sees as positive and worthwhile, i admire the moral authority she does have as a mother who has lost a child in battle, i admire her basic pretext -- the war is a big fucking mistake and people are dying for bad reasons -- and i admire her willingness to stick her neck out.
however, i wish the woman had more tact, and frankly, a more nuanced understanding of world events and the iraq war. her whole, "i'm a mother, so i'm speaking as a mother" gets old and increasingly transparent when you realize how unsophistocated her political stance is.
she also needs better handlers.
what would have been more effective would have been for her not to be a t-shirt, but for her to sit silently, not clapping, stone-faced, when ever Bush said anything, especially pertaining to Iraq. that would have been a much more trenchant image, and the media would have kept cutting to her, allowing her, through sielnce, to effectively undermine the president's steaming pile of verbal horseshit.
so sad she botched it up. again. and has made herself into a clown, an easy pinata for the right wing -- who obviously have no problems mocking the mother of a dead soldier.
i admire her chutzpah, i admire her being a pain in the ass of W, i admire how silly and stupid she made him look while camped out last summer, i admire her willingness to take her son's death and transform it into something that she sees as positive and worthwhile, i admire the moral authority she does have as a mother who has lost a child in battle, i admire her basic pretext -- the war is a big fucking mistake and people are dying for bad reasons -- and i admire her willingness to stick her neck out.
however, i wish the woman had more tact, and frankly, a more nuanced understanding of world events and the iraq war. her whole, "i'm a mother, so i'm speaking as a mother" gets old and increasingly transparent when you realize how unsophistocated her political stance is.
she also needs better handlers.
what would have been more effective would have been for her not to be a t-shirt, but for her to sit silently, not clapping, stone-faced, when ever Bush said anything, especially pertaining to Iraq. that would have been a much more trenchant image, and the media would have kept cutting to her, allowing her, through sielnce, to effectively undermine the president's steaming pile of verbal horseshit.
so sad she botched it up. again. and has made herself into a clown, an easy pinata for the right wing -- who obviously have no problems mocking the mother of a dead soldier.
Liesje
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I agree w/ everything you said, Irvine.
The "mother" thing annoys me after a while as well, especially since the soldiers/marines are grown men and women able to make their own life choices. For one, I find it almost disrespectful to those men and women. Enlisting was not my choice, but I respect those that chose that path and were willing to die for my freedoms. I'm sympathetic for Sheehan's loss, but sometimes it gets to the point where I feel like she's exploited her son's death. Would she feel this strongly against the war if her son had returned home safe? Probably not. For Sheehan, it's become too emotional and personal for her to tackfully and effectively make sense politically.
The "mother" thing annoys me after a while as well, especially since the soldiers/marines are grown men and women able to make their own life choices. For one, I find it almost disrespectful to those men and women. Enlisting was not my choice, but I respect those that chose that path and were willing to die for my freedoms. I'm sympathetic for Sheehan's loss, but sometimes it gets to the point where I feel like she's exploited her son's death. Would she feel this strongly against the war if her son had returned home safe? Probably not. For Sheehan, it's become too emotional and personal for her to tackfully and effectively make sense politically.
nbcrusader
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Irvine511 said:
Doesn't this strike you as a contradiction (not your statement, but Sheehan's stance and position)?
The genuine aspects of her loss would appear to lose strength when there are those behind the scene "manufacturing" the image.
Irvine511
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nbcrusader said:
i think that's what's getting at me.
i think all image is manufactured, and if she were much more media-savvy, she's try to maintain an image of being above the fray, of speaking from the heart, a sort of dignified symbol of senseless loss. you cannot get away from the manufacturing of an image, it's just how skillfully you do it. she'd be much more effective as a spokeswoman that way, instead of advocating specific policy positions.
i would also say, though, that her position is weakened by political pundits emphasizing those behind the scenes -- it's a great way to knock her down without being too mean about it, calling her a poor woman who's greiving and being manipualted by forces beyond her control and understanding.
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something smelled funny when I read this....
something smelled funny when I read this....
OP
OP
i smell a patsy
let's have someone in place to also arrest just so that we can justify arresting sheehan... who shouldn't have been invited into the chambers in the first place, but considering how many will ignore that fact and complain, we'll have this in place to go "ha! i told you so" and poo poo all of them.
let's have someone in place to also arrest just so that we can justify arresting sheehan... who shouldn't have been invited into the chambers in the first place, but considering how many will ignore that fact and complain, we'll have this in place to go "ha! i told you so" and poo poo all of them.
Irvine511
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so it's safe to assume that Ms. Sheehan is under surveillance and her phones have been wire-tapped? they knew what she was doing, right down to the t-shirt she was going to wear, and were able to effectively counter-program?
good.
good.
deep
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I am sure she has been making over seas phone calls to al-qaeda.
or
1. to Chavez
2. Chavez to Castro
3. Castro to Spanish Newspaper reporter
4. Spanish NP reporter to Al-Jazeera reporter
5. Al-Jazeera to BinLaden tape deliverer
6. BinLaden tape deliverer to Rove/CIA Productions.
or
1. to Chavez
2. Chavez to Castro
3. Castro to Spanish Newspaper reporter
4. Spanish NP reporter to Al-Jazeera reporter
5. Al-Jazeera to BinLaden tape deliverer
6. BinLaden tape deliverer to Rove/CIA Productions.
nbcrusader
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Irvine511 said:so it's safe to assume that Ms. Sheehan is under surveillance and her phones have been wire-tapped? they knew what she was doing, right down to the t-shirt she was going to wear, and were able to effectively counter-program?
good.
Please.
The SOTU is so well scripted, the entire "drama" with Cindy Sheehan and Beverly Young was all scripted before the event.
Irvine511
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nbcrusader said:
how did they know what lines Ms. Sheehan was going to be reading?
I do not believe she was there to protest. I actually believe what she wrote on her blog. It appears to be more than reasonable to me what she is saying in her own words.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index_594.html
http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index_594.html
enggirl
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According to Sheehan's description of events (that I read earlier today), she was given a ticket, gave it to someone else, but then the person who gave her the ticket told her that the press had been alerted...so Cindy got the ticket back. She'd been at a protest earlier in the day and had the shirt on from that. when she entered the building, she was searched, etc., shown up to her seat, and was warm from the walk. she wasn't even completely out of her jacket when the guy who ushered her in said "Protestor," grabbed her and hauled her out, hurting her in the process. she said that she wasn't told to cover the shirt or anything, just taken out and arrested. The other woman was taken out but NOT arrested.
I am so tired of people saying "yeah, you have freedom of speech...but you have to be ready to face the consequences of what you say" but not respecting that the freedom of speech means that sometimes people are going to say things with which you don't agree and you HAVE to respect it because it's freedom of speech...not "you are free to say things, but only if I like them"! AArgh! I'm just annoyed at the whole thing. it makes me nuts.
I am so tired of people saying "yeah, you have freedom of speech...but you have to be ready to face the consequences of what you say" but not respecting that the freedom of speech means that sometimes people are going to say things with which you don't agree and you HAVE to respect it because it's freedom of speech...not "you are free to say things, but only if I like them"! AArgh! I'm just annoyed at the whole thing. it makes me nuts.
phanan
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Dreadsox said:
Censorship is alive and well, even if you don't say anything.
deep
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Dreadsox said:
If she had stood up and started shouting or held up a smuggled sign
it would have worked to the Presidents advantage.
If he had to stop for her to be taken out for making a disturbance
he would have gotten a lot of sympathy for the total disrespect of the event and the office.
She would have been roundly condemned and the Dem. congresswoman would be taking shots, too.
However, if she just sat there wearing the T-shirt
and the networks kept panning to her
instead of Laura Bush that would have been a loss for the President.
I am with those of you that believe the Republican Congressman's wife was plant
to justify removing Sheehan.
phanan
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deep said:
I agree - that part had to have been planned.
nbcrusader
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phanan said:
The rule that was violated has been in effect for a while. People have been removed from Chambers before this Administration.
phanan
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It wasn't right then, and it's not right now.
nbcrusader
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Dreadsox said:
Do you really think those are her own words. Irvine spoke of her needing better handlers. I'm sure people working with MichaelMoore.com would be happy to help.
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