Cheerleaders Can Display Their Breasts But Nursing Mothers Can't?

[Dreadsox]

So if I'm ever at a sporting event that you're at and you paid to watch the game and I feel the urge to masturbate, I'll whip out my penis and start yanking away. It's perfectly natural, and a bodily function. Don't want to witness it? That's fine! Don't look.

So is breastfeeding a sexual act for you Dave?

You cannot handle a woman breastfeeding?

You feel physical pain the way a breastfeeding mother does when it is time to feed?

Or maybe I am misunderstanding....is it gross to you?

 

[Teta040]

Oh...boy.

I can give one personal example, though, where I am not sure if I;d feel comfortable with it, and I like to consider myself open-minded. I suppose I;'d get used to it, but at the time, it was a shock.

I used to work in the shoe department of one of the major dept stores, and one day, a fmily of 5 came in, whenit was crowded and busy. A holiday weekend, memorail Day or something like that. A father, a mother with what looked like a 16-18 month old, and 3 kids. two of whom were grade-school age boys. The older around 9, I'd say. After 15 mins, the baby began fussing, so right then and there, in the middle of a crowded aisle, the mother whipped her sweater up, exposed her whole breast, and jammed the baby's mouth on. Of course, the crying stopped instantly. She didn't exactly expose her whole breast, but she made no attempt to hide it in front of the older boy either. And there were times when I could see he saw it. A few mins later, the baby was done, so so held the baby up and whipped her sweater back down.

Now, I know that children are should be taught that things like breastfeeding and the sight of their mother's breasts is normal, but there should be a cutoff age, esp for boys. I's ceetainly feel a little enarrassed haivng my teenage or post-8 yr old son see me nurse, covered up or no. What do you guys think?

 

[For Honor]

Look, if anyone has a problem with breasts, then we can all go back to the good old days, where no one saw anything


Come on.


That's kind of sad.
Who would really be offended of breasts anyways?
Certainly not a guy, I hope. It he is, then he should get removed from whatever sporting event he's at, because he is officially undeserving of being there

if it's a woman
well... You've got breasts too. Unless you are really flat chested. But then that's jealousy, and that's sort of... pathetic.



I hope this is just one of those silly things meant to ruffel a few feathers.



Breasts are good things, not bad.


And like others have said, if you are uncomfortable, avert your eyes.


jeez

 

[For Honor]

And while I respect the not wanting younger kids to see anything.......


we're all human. ANd kids are going to have to learn sometimes.
People sholud not be offended by breastfeeding.

 

[echo0001]

Oh...boy.

I can give one personal example, though, where I am not sure if I;d feel comfortable with it, and I like to consider myself open-minded. I suppose I;'d get used to it, but at the time, it was a shock.

I used to work in the shoe department of one of the major dept stores, and one day, a fmily of 5 came in, whenit was crowded and busy. A holiday weekend, memorail Day or something like that. A father, a mother with what looked like a 16-18 month old, and 3 kids. two of whom were grade-school age boys. The older around 9, I'd say. After 15 mins, the baby began fussing, so right then and there, in the middle of a crowded aisle, the mother whipped her sweater up, exposed her whole breast, and jammed the baby's mouth on. Of course, the crying stopped instantly. She didn't exactly expose her whole breast, but she made no attempt to hide it in front of the older boy either. And there were times when I could see he saw it. A few mins later, the baby was done, so so held the baby up and whipped her sweater back down.

Now, I know that children are should be taught that things like breastfeeding and the sight of their mother's breasts is normal, but there should be a cutoff age, esp for boys. I's ceetainly feel a little enarrassed haivng my teenage or post-8 yr old son see me nurse, covered up or no. What do you guys think?

What's so wrong with it?

It's one thing to tell boys that breast feeding is natural and wonderful. If a mother is mature enough and unashamed enough to breastfeed in front of her older boys, I doubt it's going to be a bad influence on them. It would probably be a damn good influence, in fact. It would acquaint them with the idea that not every single thing associated with the female body is intrinsically sexual, and that there's a purpose for breasts (and feminity in general) other than pleasing men.

The feeling that there's something wrong with an older boy see his mother breastfeed his younger sibling (and thereby see her breast) is one of the areas where nursing and sex are (inappropriately) mixed in the mind of the onlooker. Nursing a baby is not about sex.

I seriously doubt that a well-adjusted bo is going to be seriously warped byy seeing his mother's breast when she is breast feeding. Probably less likely to warp him than living in a house where mom would just absolutely die if her nine year old son saw her breast when the top of her swimming suit accidentally fell down, for example.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

Yeah, seriously, if people think kids are going to be traumatized or something by seeing a woman breastfeed, then I'd just lock the kid in their room the rest of their life, because if that is going to bother them, then god only knows what their reaction will be when they see things even more potentially bothersome than that.

A good part of the world's population has breasts. Pretty much every person in the world will see a breast at some point and time in their lives. Everyone knows full well what they are. Why people continue to be bothered by them, I will never understand. Maybe it's just 'cause I'm a female and really don't understand the big uproar over a part of my body whose developement process I had absolutely no say in, but I just do not get why a breast gets some people so riled up. It's a body part, people.

to the posts from others who are supportive of public breastfeeding, by the way.

Angela

 

[Tilli]

I agree. I think women are put under enough pressure to breatfeed and sometimes made to feel guilty when they choose not too. Then the next minute people become annoyed when women breastfeed in public, like it is some disgusting thing and it is in some way wrong.

 

[Liesje]

Personally, I would never leave an infant in the care of someone I did not trust completely. A lot of babysitters do not have enough experience with infants and it only takes a second for something tragic to happen.

This totally depends on the parents. I used to sit for a family with 4 kids (well, started with only one...) and the mother would always take the babies w/ her wherever they went until the babies were about 6-8 months old. I know she breastfed all of her babies and they would usually hire me to go to Bible studies w/ their group of close friends. This lady was also kind of emotional at times and I'm sure struggled with postpartum depression so it was really good for her to get out and be with her friends once every other week and still be able to care for and feed her infant.


I also babysat at the next house down and started watching Evan when he was 3 weeks.

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

It would acquaint them with the idea that not every single thing associated with the female body is intrinsically sexual, and that there's a purpose for breasts (and feminity in general) other than pleasing men.

That is an excellent point. I've never been a mother, but I certainly would want boys brought up that way. Maybe if they were they wouldn't be so fixated on breasts and equate them with some sort of ultimate definer of womanhood. As someone who is flat chested I'm all for that

There's nothing wrong w/ men being attracted to them, don't get me wrong. But there's a big difference between that and a neanderthal mentality.

I have to put up w/ drunks and all sorts of other rudeness at sporting events, a nursing mother would be a welcome relief.

Funny no one ever questions men going to sporting events and leaving their babies at home

 

[Liesje]

Funny no one ever questions men going to sporting events and leaving their babies at home

Yeah, especially since men can also breastfeed (not joking). I've read several stories about some men convincing themselves they could....and they did.

 

[pax]

I babysat for two young children last year, the younger of whom was just born last August. Her mother was breastfeeding, and because her feeding schedules kept getting disrupted, she developed mastitis--a painful infection of the breast that can cause fevers, fatigue, and nausea, depleting a new mother of her energy and health that she needs to breastfeed at all!

To keep the breast healthy while breastfeeding, it's important to feed regularly and completely. This woman was told that by her doctor and by a lactation consultant. Not to mention that my own mother breastfed all four of us, and, yes, occasionally did it on a bus, in a doctor's waiting room, whatever. If we're to encourage breastfeeding of young children, breastfeeding women ought not be made to feel uncomfortable or unwanted.

And, as MrsSpringsteen noted...a breastfeeding woman is somehow more offensive than a drunken, verging-on-violent sports fan?

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

http://www.townonline.com/blogs/bostonMommy/


There's a picture of a Patriots cheerleader on this blog, I know none of you guys will be interested in that but just to let you know


I've been listening to some Boston talk radio stations and checking in on web sites regarding this whole breastfeeding in sports stadiums deal. (See previous posting.)
Aside from the folks who simply can’t handle the sight of breastfeeding moms (yet, miraculously are unfazed by skimpily dressed women in the form of cheerleaders or half-naked, drunk male fans with body paint), there seem to be two main objections to women breastfeeding at a ballgame:
1. It’s too dangerous to bring a baby to a game.
2. A game is no place for a baby.
Let’s take item number one: I’ve been looking online and can’t find a statistic (though I’m still on the hunt for one), but I’d venture to say that there’s a much higher likelihood that a baby will sustain an injury by being toted around in a motor vehicle, by getting a bath in the family bathtub or by choking on a toy or food than if she were brought to a baseball game.
(If anyone can find a statistic about the likelihood of an average fan getting struck by a batted ball, please e-mail it to me and I’ll be happy to post it as well as its source, as long as it’s deemed legit.)
Now for number two: Whether or not a parent takes a baby to a ballgame depends on many things including whether a babysitter can be found. (I must admit that I took my twin babies to a Sox game before they were 1.) But putting issues about babysitters aside for the moment, there's a basic question: Why shouldn’t a young family, which includes the baby, attend a ballgame, particularly when teams like my beloved Boston Red Sox heavily promote themselves as a family-friendly organization in “Friendly Fenway?” They aggressively market their mascot, Wally the Green Monster, to kids. The Red Sox wives published an ABC picture book about Fenway Park last year. The Red Sox have an entire program – Red Sox Kid Nation (to which one of my kids belongs) – aimed at luring kids into Sox fandom at an early age. Why else are there family days, kids clubs and kid-oriented mascots if not to lure families to the stadium?
Isn’t baseball supposed to be America’s favorite pastime? And what could be more American than mixing baseball and, how does that saying go, “motherhood and apple pie?”

As I wrote a few months ago when ABC’s Barbara Walters went bananas after being offended by a woman nursing her baby on an airplane in the august journalist’s presence: Get over yourselves. Please. Breastfeeding ain’t about sex my friends. As someone who did it for a grand total of 26 months over the years for my children, nursing in public was never about showing off. It was about quieting the kid. Feeding the kid.
Going to the bathroom to feed the baby, as a Gillette official told a nursing mom to do when she was in the stadium: Have you been in any of these bathrooms? Have you smelled them? Why in the world would you want to have your baby eat inside of them? The gut-painted guy gets to gobble down 10 Fenway franks and six beers in public but the baby has to be hidden away in the bathroom?

Which is more stomach turning: Neanderthals leering and shouting inappropriate things to the scantily clad cheerleaders, or a mom quietly providing mother’s milk to her baby?

 

[blueeyedgirl]

Interesting this discussion is about what is happening in the so-called "developed world". Men and women in Africa, Asia etc are looking after their children, breastfeeding, using their breasts for the intended purpose, exposing them with no shame, and just generally getting on with it.

Obviously they don't boys anything of substance in the good old USA. Just to leer at cheerleaders and then go invade foreign countries.

 

[Dreadsox]

Obviously they don't boys anything of substance in the good old USA. Just to leer at cheerleaders and then go invade foreign countries.

Most of the boys I know from my time in the army would prefer the cheerleader thing....

But nothing beats a kick ass invasion

 

[Tilli]

http://www.townonline.com/blogs/bostonMommy/B]

I checked out that link. The writer makes a good point about having to look at "fat, shirtless, drunken fools" in stadiums. Most of them have "breasts" but no-one complains when they get them out! That is far more offensive to he eye than a mother breastfeeding her baby.

 

[randhail]

I checked out that link. The writer makes a good point about having to look at "fat, shirtless, drunken fools" in stadiums. Most of them have "breasts" but no-one complains when they get them out! That is far more offensive to he eye than a mother breastfeeding her baby.

That's because those fat guys are funny and tend to be pretty entertaining people. If a 400lb guy is willing to go shirtless and enjoy himself, all the power to him. I'll high five the next one I see.

 

[pax]

Ohhhhh, I see. Since they're "funny," it's okay! Of course! Now I see the light!

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

Yeah, nothing gets me hotter

Actually the fool who jumped onto the net at Yankee stadium was even better

 

[u2bonogirl]

That's because those fat guys are funny and tend to be pretty entertaining people. If a 400lb guy is willing to go shirtless and enjoy himself, all the power to him. I'll high five the next one I see.

So his tits flopping around arent as offensive as a partially exposed female breast. Female..... Like the gender that is technically supposed to have them

 

[Tilli]

Ohhhhh, I see. Since they're "funny," it's okay! Of course! Now I see the light!

 

[Dreadsox]

ANd if that fat shirtless guy is behaving inappropriately at Fenway and I am there with my 7 year old and 4 year old....I will gladly be entertained while security escorts him out.

I did not pay for my season tickets to have some drunk, be the entertainment, when I brought my kids to be entertained by the game.

And before you tell me a four year old cannot enjoy the game, you should meet my kids, who can tell you the lineup, position, and where the play is when there are runners on base.

The people in my section know, when and how to behave. They ALL treat my kids right when I bring them to the game.

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

On the other hand, if Johnny Damon did his naked pullups in centerfield... now THAT would be highly entertaining

Now I can't concentrate

 

[u2bonogirl]

I can just imagine you Dreadsox. Turning to your 4 year old and pointing at the half naked fat guy with paint on his chest, gyrating to imaginary music and hooting up a storm.
"Look, lets laugh at the fat man together because its nice to laugh at fat people"

 

[Dreadsox]

Yeah, nothing gets me hotter

Actually the fool who jumped onto the net at Yankee stadium was even better

IN 1988 when Jim Rice punched the Coach Joe Morgan in the dugout because he was pinch hit for....

A game or two later, fan jumps the rail runs to second base, drops his drawers, and the words Jim Rice are written on his ass.

But, that was back in the day when I WOULD never have taken my kids to fenway. That was back when blow up dolls and not beach balls were batted around the park.

 

[Rono]

There's an extremely simple answer to that. Don't look. Aren't you there to watch the game? A woman feeding her baby is not likely to get up and dance the can can in front of you, thereby blocking your view of the action you paid to see.

If anyone has a problem with breastfeeding, that is THEIR OWN problem. Not the mother's, nor the child's. Deal with it.

Ladies, go for it. I think breastfeeding is healty for the baby, good for the bond between mother and child and good for showing to men that there is more than drinking beer and eating hotdogs.

Personaly i think it is great that woman feed their baby in public because it shows that the baby is far more important to her than the public opinion.




BTW, now i am in Dallas. Where can i buy football tickets ?

 

[u2bonogirl]

IN 1988 when Jim Rice punched the Coach Joe Morgan in the dugout because he was pinch hit for....

A game or two later, fan jumps the rail runs to second base, drops his drawers, and the words Jim Rice are written on his ass.

But, that was back in the day when I WOULD never have taken my kids to fenway. That was back when blow up dolls and not beach balls were batted around the park.

I used to like going to mariners games with my dad and watching lou pinella pitch a fit all over the field. My dad made sure I knew that it was unacceptable behavior before we went ahead with laughing our asses off
Seriously, when you see the coach toss the bat rack out of the dugout, pull up first base and throw it, and kick his hat around the pitching mound.....how do you not just die laughing?

 

[joyfulgirl]

And while I respect the not wanting younger kids to see anything.......


we're all human. ANd kids are going to have to learn sometimes.
People sholud not be offended by breastfeeding.

Kids see their moms breastfeeding all the time. They don't think anything of it until some adult puts the stupid idea into their heads that it's wrong, dirty or shameful.

There is no inappropropriate place to breastfeed a baby. A baby must be fed and a mother must leave the house sometimes and breastmilk is the best thing for a baby. I think the fact that so many Americans have an issue with it is just another example of the puritanical backwardness of this country. We're way ahead in some respects but in other ways, so distorted and weird.

 

[Liesje]

That's because those fat guys are funny and tend to be pretty entertaining people. If a 400lb guy is willing to go shirtless and enjoy himself, all the power to him. I'll high five the next one I see.

You find THAT entertaining? yech!

You get angry for paying $100 to see a woman quietly nursing her baby under a blanket, but LIKE paying $100 to see and disgustingly fat man waving his arms and belly fat all over the place?

You know what I find entertaining? You've probably "seen" a dozen woman breastfeeding in public and never even realized it because they tend to be so discrete.

 

[80sU2isBest]

If they keep it discreet, I have no problem with it. But breast shouldn't be exposed.

 

[nbcrusader]

So if I'm ever at a sporting event that you're at and you paid to watch the game and I feel the urge to masturbate, I'll whip out my penis and start yanking away. It's perfectly natural, and a bodily function. Don't want to witness it? That's fine! Don't look.

Somehow, I knew this example might lead to a "how can you compare breastfeeding to masturbation?" type response.

DaveC isn't comparing the two.

Given the arguments (natural, function, need) in favor of public breastfeeding, if you simply substitute "masturbation" for "breastfeeding" and the defenses (don't look) you get the same result (public masturbation is okay).

However, no one would seriously support public masturbation. Thus, the arguments proposed so far are flawed as they cannot be applied on a consistent basis.