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Rest of it is here.
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Now we'll really get to see how well that surge is working...
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I've seen it on tv, I think it was the top story on ABC News last night.
I wonder what McCain will have to say about it. Of course this will all have to be straightened out in a timely fashion before November. |
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99 more years of war on the wall, 99 more years of war ....
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I'm more interested in what Obama and Clinton have to say about it. It's a tough problem. I'd like to hear their solutions.
Obiously, its more complicated than the above article let's on. This one provides a little more background: http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...725526,00.html |
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The surge has worked well, Sadr can now easily hold the balance of power now that the Sunnis have been disarmed.
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so just what is going on in Iraq?
is this what happens when forces (here, the British) leave too soon? is this simply the inevitable start to a civil war between the Madhi Army and "government" troops? how long before we see Maliki's corpse being carried through the streets? or, does Maliki now feel that he has the power and confidence to suppress insurrection, similar to, say, the Whiskey Rebellion in 1794? does this mean that the suge isn't such a surge after all, that it's the new reality lest we want this to happen to the rest of the country? are the Americans little more than the thumb of the little dutch boy stuck into a dyke? is this all the Iraqi forces are capable of? what next? what is this? what's going on? |
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The boundries of Iraqi were drawn out by the British in the 1940s. (i think...correct me here if i'm wrong)
President Bush, since he took over the region, should have redrawn the region into the three separate religious groups" the Shiites, the Sunnius, the Kurds. It's a big mistake and a problem that cannot be fixed, trying to get these three groups together. |
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Looks like the tide is turning!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/wo...assess.html?hp http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...rss_topstories This is awesome news! |
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Seems like a good thing -- hearts and minds are leaning toward Maliki -- and a all that brings.
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that's not the sense i'm getting at all. it seems to me that the big winner, as always, is Iran, who seems to be able to talk the Madhi army into calming down in a way that the Maliki's government was unable to. and all this uprising has done is prove that Iraqi troops -- even with American and British support -- aren't capable of quelling insurrections. from the view of the Shiite militias (and i know that the government is also a Shiite militia) is that the government is dead from their point of view. what has happened is that the weakness of the government has been exposed. this was supposed to be a decisive assault. instead, the Iraqi army could merely hold the Madhi army at a standstill while Iran stepped in and calmed things down -- now who's the big kid on the block? |
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^ I'm inclined to agree; almost everything I've read suggests that prevailing public opinion in Iraq takes this to be a net loss for Maliki.
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Al-Sadr has been hanging out in Iran. Understood.
Or do you guys think they were negotiating with the Iranian Government? From the CNN article today -- Quote:
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i think the intention of this was to, 1) demonstrate the inefficacy of the Madhi government, and 2) to show the "beneficence" of Iran. it's all pretty bad. |
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