Canada will sign Kyoto

[Holy John]

Finally, Jean Chrétien is putting his boxers. The Canadian Parliament will sign Kyoto before the end of 2002.

Global warming is a fact (despite some private US lobby at the Earth Summit trying to persue that is don't (???)), northern Canada is litteraly melting up, ask farmers of Saskatchewan what they know about global warming. Asks Quebecois why this summer was so infernal, why there is no more spring season and why winter is warmer (but longuer). Look at the Earth's global weather : floods in Europe and Asia, a smog cloud twice as big as the US in Asia.....

I don't like him, but congratulations to Mr. Chrétien. Global warming passes before national economical problems.

Global warming and pollution causes many problems. Just myself, I develloped serious asthma because of pollution (and allergies). When there is smog out there, I can't breathe, I've got those violent asthma crisis (face turns blue, etc..). This isn't only about myself, it happens to more and more people.

[z edge]

Sorry to hear about your asthma.

[Rono]

More good news from south-Africa,...

Germany will spend 1 billion Euro extra to help the poor country`s,...the UK and France will give 100 million Euro each for a better infrastructure in Africa.


1 euro is 0,98 dollar,...

[Holy John]

This s indeed a good news about Germany. They were (and still are) deeply affected by the floods in Europe.

The summit in South Africa isn't only simply about environment and how to protect it, its about devellopment, energy, etc... Its a shame that President Bush, of the United States, isn't there (but that's for the topic specefically about the Earth Summit).

What the United States and the European Union must understand is that devellopment of the Third-World requires the USA/EU to end their subventions to their farmers. At least, end what is not necessary. These subventions are a real threat to the Third-World's accessibility to the USA/EU markets. For example :

India reached self-sufficiency in food by the rice culture. India has a particular rice wich is very appreciated around the world, USA included. The USA develloped the same rice (genetically modified to resist the USA's climate). Popular thought thinks that this USA-produced rice is cheaper than the Indian rice, wich is completely false. The same rice (without being modified) produced in India costs 2 times less than the rice produced in the United States, but the subventions to farmers make it cheaper indeed. The normal consumer will naturally buy the cheapest product and/or the product of his country.

This is a simple example on how national (extra) ubventions can be a threat to the Third-World devellopment. This is partially what's the Earth Summit is about.

[RavenStar]

Go Canada!

[Zoomerang96]

that is indeed good, though how much will it really help?

i mean, we are such a small country compared to the us, if they dont sign it, their pollution wont exactly stop at the border.

but nonetheless it is a good move.

however, the government really needs to pay more attention to western canada.

we dont always need a prime minister from ontario or quebec, thank you.

[z edge]

Originally posted by Holy John

The summit in South Africa isn't only simply about environment and how to protect it, its about devellopment, energy, etc... Its a shame that President Bush, of the United States, isn't there (but that's for the topic specefically about the Earth Summit).

It is a shame Bush isn't there; he is missing out on the Royal treatment the attendees are receiving to include lush dinners of champange and Filet Mignon and Lobster, while outside the walls of the "brainstorming" the children are dying.

[kobayashi]

Originally posted by z edge
while outside the walls of the "brainstorming" the children are dying.

your point is?...
bush isn't immune to these comparisons either.
it's a buracratic gathering. wouldn't feel right if it wasn't wasteful.

[z edge]

Originally posted by kobayashi


your point is?...
bush isn't immune to these comparisons either.
it's a buracratic gathering. wouldn't feel right if it wasn't wasteful.

My point is; (other than the obvious that I can't spell worth a damn) that it would be hypocritical of the attendees to scorn his (President Bush) abscence whilst being treated like kings amongst the poverty.

And for my own hypocrisy; it is proper to capatialize a persons' name when you write it down. For instance; you used bush when you may have meant to write Bush

Thanks

[bonoman]

Bush is too rapped up in the Us policy to give a shit about the rest of the suffering world. My PM is there and saying things that really have substance instead of spending a week in his ranch having lobster and filet minion and chanpange. At least some of the leaders of the world are having their good meals and expensive drinks somewhere they might make a bit of a difference!!!

[kobayashi]

Originally posted by z edge
And for my own hypocrisy; it is proper to capatialize a persons' name when you write it down. For instance; you used bush when you may have meant to write Bush

Thanks

your posts lead to my questions...? how does my lack of capitals indicative of my own hypocrisy, as you allude to with your vague comment? i wrote bush because i never type capitals.

i challenge you, z edge, to read posts of mine, kobayashi, to find capitals. there aren't very many.

capitals are a waste of time.

[rafmed]

Its great that advanced and worried nations like Germany and Canada are aproaching the enviromental issues with this commitment, in the end is one world, and countries that sign the Kioto treaty and those who don't share the same environment, this is something some countries seem to don't understand, in countries like mine, and in fact in all latin america we ahve big problems of polution, our industries are in many cases outdated in terms of prevention of contamination, in many cases the legislation is there, but there are no means to make the needed changes or to enforce them, even if everyone know we need to make the needed changes to protect the environment.
Its sad that Bush and the USA government seem to don't care about what most of the world cares, makes me think, on how most of USA allies are not supporting USA in his quest to attack Irak, I mean, if USA don't join forces to save the world from the problems of contamination (that I believe is a more important issue), how can they ask any other country to support their particular war?

If someone is bound to answer this, I hope is not in a sarcastic way.

[z edge]

Originally posted by kobayashi


your posts lead to my questions...? how does my lack of capitals indicative of my own hypocrisy, as you allude to with your vague comment? i wrote bush because i never type capitals.

i challenge you, z edge, to read posts of mine, kobayashi, to find capitals. there aren't very many.

capitals are a waste of time.

*SIGH

HYPOCRISY ON MY PART SINCE I AM ATTEMPTING TO CORRECT SOMEONE ELSES MISTAKES (CAPITALIZATION) YET I CAN'T SPELL (AS I ALLUDED TO IN MY POST)

I CHALLENGE YOU, KOBAYASHI, TO RE-READ MY POST AND TRY TO SEE WHAT IT WAS I REALLY ALLUDED TO

*END SIGH

[z edge]

Originally posted by bonoman
Bush is too rapped up in the Us policy to give a shit about the rest of the suffering world.

Thats real good. Speculation really works!

My PM is there and saying things that really have substance instead of spending a week in his ranch having lobster and filet minion and chanpange.

Is that what President George W. Bush ate at his ranch?

Oh, by the way he was on vacation at his ranch a MONTH not a WEEK And on his vacation, he spent traveling around in support of candidates speaking at fund raisers etc. He has a country to run, without being dictated by a liberal agenda to attend some whack-science fair when he already has plans of his own on the same topics being presented?

At least some of the leaders of the world are having their good meals and expensive drinks somewhere they might make a bit of a difference!!!

Well it would be nice if they did make a difference.

[bonoman]

Well when the rest of the world steps up and signs the Kyoto agreement then there will be a difference made. If you say bush shouldnt attend a whack-scrience fair because you dont think its the right thing maybe the rest of your country sees it differnetly. If bush doesnt think it isnt a good idea then that gives him more motivation to attend such meetings and change peoples minds. You cant change peoples minds in your ranch.

[Spyplane]

Originally posted by bonoman
Well when the rest of the world steps up and signs the Kyoto agreement then there will be a difference made. If you say bush shouldnt attend a whack-scrience fair because you dont think its the right thing maybe the rest of your country sees it differnetly. If bush doesnt think it isnt a good idea then that gives him more motivation to attend such meetings and change peoples minds. You cant change peoples minds in your ranch.

Have you been to school, where they teach that when you write a person's name it is proper to use capital letters? Example; Bush = right, bush = wrong.

And if you bothered to read my post, you would have noticed that he (Bush not bush) was on vacation though he still traveled the country to attend and speak at political fundraisers throughout while having other world leaders (Prince Abdullah not prince abdullah) at his home (or yes, ranch).

And if you knew anything about "the rest of my country", you would realize that most of the people here are in support of doing what is best for us and not a bunch of politically motivated wackos whose main goal is to de-power and regress the United States (not united states).

And should you have watched the news yesterday, you would have seen that Colin Powell did attend the wack-science fair as the represenative of the United States to which he was heckled and booed (assumably by more of the wacko-freaks).

Thank You, and have a GREAT day

[bonoman]

Originally posted by Spyplane



And if you knew anything about "the rest of my country", you would realize that most of the people here are in support of doing what is best for us and not a bunch of politically motivated wackos whose main goal is to de-power and regress the United States (not united states).

Ahh then you wonder why the rest of the world hates americans and bush. the politically motivated wackos are my leader Jean Chrietien and Germanys and China leaders. But i guess the us doesnt see the rest of the world as people of high importance.

[TylerDurden]

Originally posted by Spyplane


And should you have watched the news yesterday, you would have seen that Colin Powell did attend the wack-science fair as the represenative of the United States to which he was heckled and booed (assumably by more of the wacko-freaks).

Those 'wacko-freaks' would be the rest of the world.
I can't hold my head up in this argument, aside from the US, the only country stupid enough not to sign on to Kyoto is... Australia.

[FizzingWhizzbees]

Originally posted by Spyplane


Have you been to school, where they teach that when you write a person's name it is proper to use capital letters? Example; Bush = right, bush = wrong.

And if you bothered to read my post, you would have noticed that he (Bush not bush) was on vacation though he still traveled the country to attend and speak at political fundraisers throughout while having other world leaders (Prince Abdullah not prince abdullah) at his home (or yes, ranch).

And if you knew anything about "the rest of my country", you would realize that most of the people here are in support of doing what is best for us and not a bunch of politically motivated wackos whose main goal is to de-power and regress the United States (not united states).

And should you have watched the news yesterday, you would have seen that Colin Powell did attend the wack-science fair as the represenative of the United States to which he was heckled and booed (assumably by more of the wacko-freaks).

Thank You, and have a GREAT day

Point one - why are you picking on people because of their grammar? It's the internet, people don't take as much care over spelling and grammar as they would if they were writing a thesis or something!

Point two - I don't doubt that the majority of US citizens want what's best for their country. However, people don't always agree on what's best. I'm sure many people there believe ratifying Kyoto would have been what's best for the United States, I'm sure many people disagree that drilling for oil in Alaska is what's best for the United States. There are differences of opinion even where people's ultimate goal (ie what's best for the US) is the same. And I'm curious about who you think the 'politically motivated wackos who want to de-power and regress the United States' are? Democrats in congress?

Point three - I noticed that Coliin Powell was booed at the World Summit. However, instead of dismissing those who booed him as 'wacko-freaks' perhaps you could explain why you disagree with their opinion on Powell? It wasn't just because he's American - British PM Blair got a pretty frosty reception himself! And while we're on the subject - what examples of 'wack-science' were on display there?

[garibaldo]

Originally posted by FizzingWhizzbees

What examples of 'wack-science' were on display there?

Global warming and genetically-modified crops