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Yeah I'm sure Shawn must have loved his life with that guy, especially if he was molested. Bill O'Reilly should shut up, I wonder what he would say if God forbid someone kidnapped one of his children and they ended up in a situation like that.
I think it is a sad day indeed when people are making comments like that about a kidnapped child and making comments about a situation in which they have no idea about what happened. The finger needs to be pointed at Devlin. |
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I just think its very scary for a person to be brainwashed that much that he can have relative freedom (ie sleeping at a friends house where the chance to escape would have been high, or a cell phone where he could have called the police etc) and still not act on it. I mean he was 11 when kidnapped, thats old enough to know wrong and right and all that stuff. 4 years is a VERY long time to be "kidnapped" and not do anything about it. Obviously this Stockholm Syndrome is a very powerful psychosis. But obviously not everyone gets it, so i wonder if just some people are susceptable to it?
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If an 11 year old child is kidnapped at gunpoint, probably repeated sexually molested, threatened with violence or death, told his family would be killed if he tried to escape, or told that his family had given up looking for him over and over again for 4 years, etc. - who knows what this horrible guy did to that kid - I think it's a good bet that by the time he was finally rescued, the kid was not thinking like a normal 15 year old would think about the possibility of escape.
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yeah if all that happened, then it can be understood for him to be emotionally scarred enough not to do anything, but we don't know anything about it - i'm not saying he chose to stay there (unlike o'wanker) but im just really interested in this stockholm syndrome - because it seems to have such a hold over people.
I would like to say something more personal, but don't really feel comfortable in explaining it to all and sundry. I just think not all kids are wired this way, and it would be interesting to see a study in which some kids are more suceptable to a kidnapper while others arn't. |
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I don't doubt that some kids (and adults) are more likely to fall victim to stockholm syndrome than others, but like you said, we don't really know what when on in this case.
It's just that for O'Reilly to suggest the possibility that the kid stayed there because the kidnapper might have: Quote:
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Apparently Oprah interviewed Shawn today, I really hope that was handled in a very delicate way.
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Yeah, I hope so too. I used to like Oprah. Lately I've seen just how bloody annoying she really is - to the point of me wondering why she even has professionals and 'experts' on. She doesn't listen to anyone, and loves to repeat her catchy so-called intellectual gems of wisdom. She's a pain in the arse and should quit tv.
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I think she did a pretty good job with him. It was very very sad. I cant even begin to imagine what this kid went through. You could still see the fear in his eyes. I hope that he can adjust and live a semi normal life. My son is 11. I couldn't begin to imagine the terror of it all. I hope the Devlin guy gets strung up. He stole 4 years of that childs life and tried to do it again to someone else. Who knows who was before Shawn. ![]() |
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I was channel surfing last night and O'Reilly was at it again. He made some comment to the effect that there would be something else coming out about this whole story, insinuating I suppose whatever you can imagine. Doesn't he have anything better to do than to imagine nefarious scenarios about kidnapped children and make nasty suggestions about them?
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He's an ass.
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I guess some adults insist upon putting adult characteristics onto children, or they are just so damn cynical (or simple minded) that they will say those things. Or something else.
Don't adults remember what it was like to be a kid? Just because it's 2007 doesn't make the basics any different. And of course the bottom line is-he KIDNAPPED a child. Or maybe he just willingly went with him cause he knew he wouldn't have to go to school anymore, or he was tired of his parents . Yeah, that's it ![]() |
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I wonder what O' Reilly will have to say about that
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Sadly, 14 of the forcible sodomy counts are for the boy recently kidnapped only for a few days.
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[Q]Accused kidnapper indicted on federal child porn charges
__________________(CNN) -- Michael Devlin, accused of abducting two Missouri boys and holding one for four years, has been indicted in federal court on child pornography charges, a federal prosecutor said Thursday. U.S. Attorney Catherine L. Hanaway announced the charges -- four counts of child pornography and two counts of transporting a minor across state lines to engage in illegal sexual activity. The charges relate to the boy that was held for four years. Both boys were freed on January 12. The parents of 15-year-old Shawn Hornbeck, whom Devlin is accused of abducting in 2002, told Oprah Winfrey in a show that aired in January that they suspect their son was sexually assaulted by Devlin. During that portion of the interview, Shawn, who was 11 when he disappeared, was not in the room. Hanaway said Devlin faces up to 170 years in prison on the six charges. Devlin, 41, has already pleaded not guilty to charges in Franklin and Washington counties that he kidnapped a 13-year-old boy in January and an 11-year-old boy in 2002. He faces life in prison on those charges. He has also been charged in St. Louis County with 71 related counts. The first 18 counts -- one count of kidnapping and 17 of forcible sodomy -- relate to the abduction of Ben Ownby, 13. The remaining counts are kidnapping and forcible sodomy charges related to the 2002 abduction of Shawn Hornbeck, 15. Those charges also carry life sentences. The new charges allege that Devlin produced Polaroid photographs and videos of Hornbeck and took him to Illinois and Arizona. "I'm sickened by it," Hanaway said. "This minor, over the course of five years, had child pornography produced with them as the victim, and was taken across state lines so that illegal sex acts could be committed." The two boys were discovered January 12 in Devlin's Kirkwood, Missouri, apartment after officers questioning him about his truck -- which matched the description of a vehicle seen on Ben Ownby's street when he was abducted -- became suspicious about his demeanor. Typically, CNN does not identify alleged victims in sexual assault cases but has decided to do so in these cases, given the publicity their cases have already received. Devlin is being held in Franklin on $1 million bail.[/Q] |
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