Can atheists go to heaven???

[zooropa16]

acoording to all my catholic friends, if you don't accept christ as your savior, you, ummm, sizzle. Will I be seeing any of you down in Hell? I here the winter is pretty mild down there!

[Anthony]

Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:

Rono, that's uncalled for. All elevation did was reply to what you said. You come back and spout off some ridiculous tripe about pedophile priests (which, by the way, is the vast minority of priests - I would venture that most priests are good men) and an accusation that the president kills Muslims, which is totally baseless and inaccurate. If you have to resort to emotional outbursts like that rather than addressing the real issues with logic, why even bother?

I must admit, Rono was a bit harsh, however, his words rang true. His point was that everyone who reads the Bible interprets it in his or her own way, and are at liberty to do so, therefore, finding one interpretation and calling it the irrefutable truth is pointless. Anyway, thats what I thought he was trying to say.

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by Anthony:

I must admit, Rono was a bit harsh, however, his words rang true. His point was that everyone who reads the Bible interprets it in his or her own way, and are at liberty to do so, therefore, finding one interpretation and calling it the irrefutable truth is pointless. Anyway, thats what I thought he was trying to say.

He should have said exactly the way you said it, then.

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by Rono:
Whatever,...
Save your energy for a childfucking priest or a moslim killing president. They al read the bible but it is all about how you read it. O, and do not forget all the christians who think that the deathpenatly is justice.

Rono, that's uncalled for. All elevation did was reply to what you said. You come back and spout off some ridiculous tripe about pedophile priests (which, by the way, is the vast minority of priests - I would venture that most priests are good men) and an accusation that the president kills Muslims, which is totally baseless and inaccurate. If you have to resort to emotional outbursts like that rather than addressing the real issues with logic, why even bother?

[Rono]

Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:

He should have said exactly the way you said it, then.

Thank you, Anthony. And Mr 80tish, it is not meant as a personal attack to anyone here on the board, but i think no one has the right to say that he knows the truth about god and the bible.

And i am not used to hide behind sweet words,...

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by Rono:
Thank you, Anthony. And Mr 80tish, it is not meant as a personal attack to anyone here on the board, but i think no one has the right to say that he knows the truth about god and the bible.
And i am not used to hide behind sweet words,...

Rono, if no one can know the truth about God and the Bible, then why in the world did God even bother giving the Bible to us? To just confuse us? No, he gave us the Bible so that we could read and understand it and know the truth.
And "Hiding behind sweet words" isn't exactly what I wish people would do. All I would ask is that people argue the points instead of going on emotional tirades like you did.

[CannibalisticArtist]

Originally posted by Rono:
Whatever,...

Save your energy for a childfucking priest or a moslim killing president. They al read the bible but it is all about how you read it. O, and do not forget all the christians who think that the deathpenatly is justice.

harsh but oh so true. it happens with every book and every religion.

[Spiral_Staircase]

Originally posted by CannibalisticArtist:
harsh but oh so true. it happens with every book and every religion.

What happens with every book and every religion?

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by Spiral_Staircase:
What happens with every book and every religion?

That's exactly what I was wondering.

[CannibalisticArtist]

interpetation happens with every religion. you can use it for good or bad. hence Rono's

but it is all about how you read it

[FizzingWhizzbees]

Originally posted by Spiral_Staircase:
What happens with every book and every religion?

They can all be interpreted differently. So people, whether intentionally or unintentionally, can use them to justify actions which are completely opposite to the instructions of that book or religion.

People can choose to listen to only the parts of a religion which basically 'say what they want to hear'. For instance (and I'm not trying to re-ignite the discussion we had on this topic a few weeks back) some people will quote Bible verses which they believe condemn homosexuality and so make a judgement about lesbian, gay or bisexual people, while choosing not to listen to verses which tell us that it is not our place to judge others.

Sorry that's kind of a controversial example, but it's the first one that came to mind.

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by FizzingWhizzbees:
They can all be interpreted differently. So people, whether intentionally or unintentionally, can use them to justify actions which are completely opposite to the instructions of that book or religion..

Yes, people have used the Bible to justify their wrong actions, but what in the world does this have to do with pedophile priests? Has Rono EVER heard a priest use the Bible to justify molesting children? I would say a resounding "no!". I've never heard that before.

[FizzingWhizzbees]

Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
Yes, people have used the Bible to justify their wrong actions, but what in the world does this have to do with pedophile priests? Has Rono EVER heard a priest use the Bible to justify molesting children? I would say a resounding "no!". I've never heard that before.

Sorry - that's my mistake, I should have read more carefully before I replied.

I think that sometimes people can sometimes use their religion to act as though they can't do anything wrong. As though things they do, which are disgusting evil things, are somehow allowed because they're religious and therefore somehow better than people who don't share in their religion. As though they're above criticism simply because they believe in a certain religion, or as though because of their religion, they can 'do no wrong'.

[DrTeeth]

You come back and spout off some ridiculous tripe about pedophile priests (which, by the way, is the vast minority of priests ...

This part made me laugh like a horse!!!

[Vorsprung]

Just wanted to say I'm proud of myself....I haven't had this many replies to one of my posts for over a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!

although I wonder what happened to most of those replies

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Vorsprung durch Technik

[tchlowlife]

hey 80sU2 is the Best, well way up at the top of this message board you exclaim that God is all around us by using a scripture from the bible to claim this. but you see that is a fallacy in argumentation. that is like saying God is real because he created the bible, and the bible says he is real!

that is really funny and kind of a evil circle for argument's sake now isnt it??

or the one: god is a supreme omnipresent being(funny enough because why would we have free will then. but anyways) so he is prefect, by what the bible says and and by this he would not be malevoilent enough ever to create an illusion of our lives or to "trick" us in thinking a specific thing, so he is real in the effect that we can trust him not to decieve us or our lives and "choices" in life.

but so again about your first argument concerning the existence of god, that is a dubious argument. and I wouldn't recomend ever using it again to make your point, because it makes no point at all other than further exclaiming that you cant fully, legitimatly claim the existence of god without use of faith.

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by tchlowlife:
hey 80sU2 is the Best, well way up at the top of this message board you exclaim that God is all around us by using a scripture from the bible to claim this. but you see that is a fallacy in argumentation. that is like saying God is real because he created the bible, and the bible says he is real!
that is really funny and kind of a evil circle for argument's sake now isnt it??
or the one: god is a supreme omnipresent being(funny enough because why would we have free will then. but anyways) so he is prefect, by what the bible says and and by this he would not be malevoilent enough ever to create an illusion of our lives or to "trick" us in thinking a specific thing, so he is real in the effect that we can trust him not to decieve us or our lives and "choices" in life.
but so again about your first argument concerning the existence of god, that is a dubious argument. and I wouldn't recomend ever using it again to make your point, because it makes no point at all other than further exclaiming that you cant fully, legitimatly claim the existence of god without use of faith.

Well, Vorsprung asked a question. It was a question that asked for people's opinions. That's what I agve him - my opinion, based on the Bible, which is the book of my faith. He didn't ask for "proof", and my response was not to give some kind of "proof", but as honest an answer as I could, based on my beliefs. However, there are many many discoveries that have lended validity to teh credibility of the Bible, as well as many prophecies form teh Bible that have actually come to pass. If you would like those, they do exist. But this thread has nothing to do with providing proof.
Your other points, I honestly don't understand what you're asking, so I can't respond.

[RavenStar]

I am going to answer the original question.
If there was a heaven Atheists could not possibly go there because Atheists do not believe in heaven. How can you go somewhere that you don't believe exists?

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He who stands atop the highest mountain can see the farthest

[foray]

If I don't believe in gravity, it doesn't mean I won't end up splat on the sidewalk after I jump off a building.

foray

[speedracer]

Originally posted by tchlowlife:
hey 80sU2 is the Best, well way up at the top of this message board you exclaim that God is all around us by using a scripture from the bible to claim this. but you see that is a fallacy in argumentation. that is like saying God is real because he created the bible, and the bible says he is real!

You don't need to adopt as an axiom that the Bible is divinely inspired in order to argue that what it says is true.

The way the early church fathers argued was roughly as follows:

1. The Scriptures (or at least the gospels) are accurate as historical documents.

2. Christ's claims to divinity are found in the gospels.

3. Christ regarded the spiritual content of the Bible (or at least the Old Testament) as authoritative.

and so on.

[This message has been edited by speedracer (edited 03-29-2002).]