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- Increased patriotism amongst Americans. - Faith and Support for a government that was being criticized heavily. - Free license to attack "terrorists" like Iraq, North Korea, etc. - An excuse to back out of treaties and agreements concerning weapons, torture, etc. - An excuse to beef up "national security" with things like starting a civilian spy program, or sealing up government documents that were previously available. |
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9/11 a government-sponsored conspiracy? I sincerely doubt it. There was too much of a chance for things to go even more horribly than they actually did. If the Pentagon crash was planned, for example, just think of the consequences if the plane had landed just slightly differently--national security nightmare, with all sorts of equipment and intelligence destroyed. That wouldn't have served our purposes, would it?
And, cynical though this may sound, if some national disaster had been planned for political gain, I doubt they would have chosen such a profitable place as WTC for the destruction target. I would venture that many Republicans have lost lots of money (among other things) due to 9/11. Bottom line, though, 9/11 was a vicious and premeditated attack on the United States most likely perpetrated by the Al-Qaeda terrorist network. Although there were surely some security holes and whatnot, our government surely cannot be held responsible. We are only beginning to figure out how difficult it would have been to prevent--and how difficult it will be to prevent from happening again. Much as I don't like (That's My) Bush, I sincerely doubt that he or his administration would have collaborated with terrorists for 9/11. ::pause:: Whoa. I think z edge and I actually agree on something. Where's 80sU2isBest? |
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Ho--hum. Kingpin and I are simply speculating. Stop calling us crazy, because we're "thinking" outside the box.
The government benefited greatly from the attacks. As Kingpin pointed out the Executive Branch was basically given a free ride with any legislation they want to pass before Congress. This is scary, and usually impossible, but terror made it possible. I honestly believe that people high up in the government had advanced knowledge of such an attack, but let it slide for the good of the country. It created more jobs in the defense department, stimulated the economy by a greater production of military weapons, took an angry, evergrowing consenous to the sidelines, and gave the government more power than they ever wished to possess. Destroying the WTC is a huge event, and while many lives were lost, we must ask the question: When has the U.S. government put the needs of the working-class, few above the needs of the powerful elite? Never. Never. Never. Our government's trackrecord is disgusting and should be evaluated before we pledge allegiance to their seemingly divine given rights. |
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annnnyways...
does anyone have any thoughts on the about-face bush appears to perform regarding economic policy as laid out in the article?
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The American government are not murderers. Bush is not a murderer.
Even if it wasn't a plane, what difference does it really make? That is a big if. There is no benefit in 3000+ lives. "- Oil pipelines through Afghanistan that have been blocked for years. - Increased patriotism amongst Americans. - Faith and Support for a government that was being criticized heavily. - Free license to attack "terrorists" like Iraq, North Korea, etc. - An excuse to back out of treaties and agreements concerning weapons, torture, etc. - An excuse to beef up "national security" with things like starting a civilian spy program, or sealing up government documents that were previously available." Those do not have a price tag. As for some of them, the government does not need such a huge loss of life to do some of these and your government will always be criticised regardless of who is in power. |
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It's pretty well known that I'm a fairly liberal person, but this is too way-left fringe even for me. You could say that I just don't *want* to believe my government could have been responsible for 9/11, and I suppose you'd be right there. But think of how hard this would have been to pull off--and figure that the U.S. government would probably implode if the plot were ever discovered. Look at this, too--our country doesn't exactly seem to be great at keeping secrets. Roswell, Project Blue Book, Watergate...you know the truth about this will come eventually in the extremely unlikely event that this was a government plot. And that, quite literally, would be the end of American civilization as we know it. Kind of a high price to pay for what would be, in the long term, short-term political gain. |
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I agree.
people put to much blind faith in governments after doing a political science course this semester my eyes are vastly opened I'm not commenting on anything in particular in this thread, I'm just saying that governments, as a rule, are corrupt to some degree. un-corrupt governments are the exception NOT the rule. I would not rule out that they knew abot the attack before hand. I will not believe that until there is strong evidence BUT I will not rule it out as so many of you do. Believe me, history repeats itself and there have been countless sinister acts carried out by governments. It is also the exception NOT the rule that governments actually care more about the average citizen than about power and wealth. My american poli sci professor actually hinted that the americans had much to gain from this in that it gave them a warrant to attack afghaniston and free up MILES of oil lines. anyway...whether the US government is the exception or the rule is all our own opinions. 20 years down the road perhaps it will all be cleared up. perhaps not |
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Now, about the ORIGINAL intent of this thread, regarding Bush's about face on the economy as outlined in the article provided by kobayashi. Clearly, this is the most elusive and covert administration this country has witnessed. Orwellian is a great analogy for this administration...they want Big Brother involved in the daily lives of all Americans...suppressing our civil liberties, controlling the media, repudiating and threatening anyone who dares to disagree with them, and yes, rewriting history. Therefore, it is no big surprise to me that Bush wants to have his cake and eat it too on the economy. The fact of the matter is that Bush's economic policies have led America from surpluses to deficits and his "trifecta" remark is true compassionate conservatism in action. The tax cut he advocated and his conservative cronies in Congress rammed through is a train wreck that will only get worse as more of the cuts are implemented. Folks, the facts are that Reagan era trickle down economics don't work...except to make the rich richer, the middle class and poor poorer and budget deficits the norm rather than the exception. W hit the "trifecta" all right...and we are all the worse off for it. |
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