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Old 08-19-2008, 07:00 PM   #21
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That's not really the way I view it. Doctors should be guided by their moral conscience.
And if it was against a Doctor's moral conscience to treat a patient that was:
black,
Muslim,
obese,
a smoker,
a meat eater,
a Marxist,
A Scientologist,
an atheist?


A Doctor's claim of moral conscience can be many things.
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Old 08-19-2008, 07:10 PM   #22
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First duty is to the patient, not the doctor's moral conscience. And moral conscience is not a license to discriminate.
I am happy to discriminate against people and groups on the basis of "moral conscience".
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Even if their moral conscience lets them deny treatment to people based on sexual orientation?
Do you want doctors to have the right not to perform plastic surgery on young girls because they're uncomfortable performing the surgery for reasons of conscience?

This isn't a black and white case. No doctor should be allowed to decide to harm (or allow harm to come to) a patient because of an issue of conscience, but if its not a life/death issue there is more room for discussion.
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Do you want doctors to have the right not to perform plastic surgery on young girls because they're uncomfortable performing the surgery for reasons of conscience?
I don't know.

My initial reaction is that it isn't their decision, it's the decision of the girl and her parents.

But this decision wasn't about minors. It was about adults.
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I don't know.

My initial reaction is that it isn't their decision, it's the decision of the girl and her parents.

But this decision wasn't about minors. It was about adults.
I agree, martha. I'm just pointing out that there exists some understandable gray area in this debate.
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I'm just pointing out that there exists some understandable gray area in this debate.

I disagree. If we're talking about adults and medical procedures, then all deserve equal access.

Access can't be denied due to the provider's discomfort with some aspect of the patient.
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This isn't a black and white case. No doctor should be allowed to decide to harm (or allow harm to come to) a patient because of an issue of conscience, but if its not a life/death issue there is more room for discussion.

If a Doctor said "I refuse to treat Jewish people, for non-emergency matters, out of a matter conscience".

That would seem reasonable to you ?
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Why the fuck would they be in the fertility business if they do not want to make women pregnant?


I love pregnant women. That leads to more breastfeeding threads....which I like too.
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Why the fuck would they be in the fertility business if they do not want to make women pregnant?
They are not Doctors, first


but instruments of God's Holy work on earth, first.



Evil doers, should just bleed out.



(besides, if God wanted Lesbians to have babies he would have given some of them penises.)
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Thank you for clarifying...

Hey now that I turned 40 two weeks or so ago, I really feel close to you.
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Thank you for clarifying...

Hey now that I turned 40 two weeks or so ago, I really feel close to you.
belated Happy Birthday to you

I hope you got more than a stone in your sack !
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Do you want doctors to have the right not to perform plastic surgery on young girls because they're uncomfortable performing the surgery for reasons of conscience?

This isn't a black and white case. No doctor should be allowed to decide to harm (or allow harm to come to) a patient because of an issue of conscience, but if its not a life/death issue there is more room for discussion.
There is a difference between ethics and morals. This would be an ethical issue.
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This ruling is bullshit. Plain and simple. There are enough doctors out there (especially in the United States!!!) that if a few don't want to do a procedure the patient can always find a doctor who will do it. If the facist section of the leftwing had it's way this law would apply to abortion as well. Granted, I still think the doctors in this case are boobs, but what about a law like this pertaining to abortion. The government cannot force a doctor to perform an abortion if he/she does not believe in it...can they????
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This ruling is bullshit. Plain and simple. There are enough doctors out there (especially in the United States!!!) that if a few don't want to do a procedure the patient can always find a doctor who will do it. If the facist section of the leftwing had it's way this law would apply to abortion as well. Granted, I still think the doctors in this case are boobs, but what about a law like this pertaining to abortion. The government cannot force a doctor to perform an abortion if he/she does not believe in it...can they????
If the doctors offer abortions, and then say

"We refuse to serve you
you are less than human
go to a veterinarian."
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This ruling is bullshit. Plain and simple. There are enough doctors out there (especially in the United States!!!) that if a few don't want to do a procedure the patient can always find a doctor who will do it. If the facist section of the leftwing had it's way this law would apply to abortion as well. Granted, I still think the doctors in this case are boobs, but what about a law like this pertaining to abortion. The government cannot force a doctor to perform an abortion if he/she does not believe in it...can they????
You are grossly misunderstanding the ruling. No one is forcing a podiatrist to perform an abortion.

If the doctor doesn't believe in insemination then they can go and be an orthopedic surgeon.
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This ruling is bullshit. Plain and simple. There are enough doctors out there (especially in the United States!!!) that if a few don't want to do a procedure the patient can always find a doctor who will do it.

Unless the patient is in a small town.

Good thing the docs in Canada can't refuse to treat over-reacting conspriracy theorists who really dislike assertive women.

You'd be fucked.
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If the doctor doesn't believe in insemination then they can go and be an orthopedic surgeon.
indeed.
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This ruling is bullshit. Plain and simple. There are enough doctors out there (especially in the United States!!!) that if a few don't want to do a procedure the patient can always find a doctor who will do it. If the facist section of the leftwing had it's way this law would apply to abortion as well. Granted, I still think the doctors in this case are boobs, but what about a law like this pertaining to abortion. The government cannot force a doctor to perform an abortion if he/she does not believe in it...can they????
What is your experience with California state discrimination law? Which section of the law do you think was misapplied?

You aren't just rejecting this court's ruling because you disagree with the result, right?
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What is your experience with California state discrimination law? Which section of the law do you think was misapplied?

You aren't just rejecting this court's ruling because you disagree with the result, right?
Apparently reading the actual case is superfluous.
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Apparently reading the actual case is superfluous.
When it comes to cases with ethical and moral issues, I don't understand why some people view the courts almost religiously- like they're deciding good and evil for us. The issue the SC decided was more worldly, simply "was this permissible under California law", and the answer was evidently "no". That's it. The law could be stupid, but that's not a judge's fault. I don't have anything invested in the California decision, if their reasoning was flawed I'd genuinely be interested to hear where.

Ironically, most people would probably say that evaluating a ruling based on your gut emotion, not the case law is the definition of an activist court.
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