C.S. Lewis - Page 2

Anthony · 01-27-2002, 06:47 PM

"It seems to me that the kids at Hogwart's are allowed to act like children. That WOULD be fine, but they're learning to use powers that most adults lack. With those powers they SHOULD be taught rigorous discipline, and it doesn't look like they are."

That simply ISN'T true. The adults of the Magic Realm DO have such powers and went to schools such as Hogwarts, and DID learn discipline. Those who didn't accept such discipline, like Anakin, turned to the dark side when Voldemort took power and seduced them. I'm sorry, but if you haven't read the books then you can't really comment on it in depth, just as much as I don't presume to know about 'Ender's Game'. I saw the POTTER movie and didn't like it as much as the books at all, because the depth was missing, despite the length of the movie.

I don't doubt the 'seriousness' of the Jedi council (as much seriousness as one can have with a green midget with a tranvestite's voice leading the council - don't tell me that you don't get the giggles when picturing Yoda holding a lightsaber), but I also do think that Hogwart's and the educational discplines are just as severe, as you WOULD find out if you read the books. The books aren't as cosy as the movie made it out, the foreboding threat and danger of the 'dark side' of magic, and the power to discipline oneself to avoid it is very much the heart of the stories. Over the course of four books already we see how this is the case.

As for the context argument, I think the same applies to Potter. I don't doubt the context and the seriousness in Star Wars and Tolkien's Middle Earth at all, its all a question of styles to me - at the end of the day all three tell the EXACT same story; the struggle between good and evil, the light and the dark side.

Ant.

Achtung Bubba · 01-27-2002, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony:
That simply ISN'T true. The adults of the Magic Realm DO have such powers and went to schools such as Hogwarts, and DID learn discipline. Those who didn't accept such discipline, like Anakin, turned to the dark side when Voldemort took power and seduced them. I'm sorry, but if you haven't read the books then you can't really comment on it in depth, just as much as I don't presume to know about 'Ender's Game'. I saw the POTTER movie and didn't like it as much as the books at all, because the depth was missing, despite the length of the movie.

Then , at very least, the Harry Potter movie has its problems.

I'm glad to hear that the books were better at establishing the seriousness of their training, but that at least indicates that Star Wars is better on the big screen.

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I don't doubt the 'seriousness' of the Jedi council (as much seriousness as one can have with a green midget with a tranvestite's voice leading the council - don't tell me that you don't get the giggles when picturing Yoda holding a lightsaber)...

Nope, I don't, because I don't judge the character by his appearance.

"Judge me by my size, do you? And where you should not, for my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is."

Sorry you missed that point.

mad1 · 01-28-2002, 11:40 AM

CS Lewis lived a few streets away from me, I swear to Jaysus.......

foray · 01-28-2002, 11:51 AM

My favourite children's author is Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Anyone read him?

What were we talking about again?? (lol) Oh yes..! Melon, have you gotten hold of anything yet?

foray

Anthony · 01-28-2002, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by Achtung Bubba:
Nope, I don't, because I don't judge the character by his appearance.
"Judge me by my size, do you? And where you should not, for my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is."
Sorry you missed that point.

Yes, and I'm sure if Bugs Bunny dished that same sentence while holding a light-saber you'd keep a straight face too. Oh, bleeding hearts of the world unite.

Ant.

Anthony · 01-28-2002, 03:23 PM

Okay, fine... forget the Bugs comparison on account that Yoda is three-dimensional and replace him with someone like Elmo... or wait, the Cookie Monster, who is just as wise as the venerable Yoda, in my opinion.

No, I'm sorry, but I'm not green with envy (green is my favourite colour, though) and I do think I'm a better basketball player than the cute midget.

And I still don't see why he kicks ass;

* He was right about Anakin being dangerous.

Anakin in the movie was an obnoxious and conceded little brat - it doesn't take Mystic Meg to notice he's a nasty piece of work.

* He trained Luke, who restored the Jedi.

It took Luke THREE bleeding movies to learn about the Force, and no matter what he did, I still think Luke's a sissy compared to Han Solo - now HE kicked ass. Plus, Luke snogged his own sister, the sick freak. And don't tell me he didn't know, he was in contact with the force, he ALWAYS knew.

* He lifted a damn X-Wing!

That, I grant you. The little dude is cool, I just don't think he could beat Darth Vader, he kicked ass too and was always my favourite.

[This message has been edited by Anthony (edited 01-28-2002).]

Achtung Bubba · 01-29-2002, 02:31 AM

How can you compare Yoda to Bugs? One's animated, the other's three-dimensional. One's naturally a smart aleck, the other is a wizened Jedi master.

Besides, Yoda kicks ass:

* He was right about Anakin being dangerous.

* He trained Luke, who restored the Jedi.

* He lifted a damn X-Wing!

Honestly, if you and Yoda were standing side-by-side, waiting to be picked for a game of basketball, he'd be picked first - and WE ALL KNOW THAT.

Yes, he hasn't got the size. But with his Force powers, he can shoot a three from the other side of the court.

Basically, I think your just envious - green with envy.

01-27-2002, 06:47 PM	#21
Anthony Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,538 Local Time: 01:08 AM	"It seems to me that the kids at Hogwart's are allowed to act like children. That WOULD be fine, but they're learning to use powers that most adults lack. With those powers they SHOULD be taught rigorous discipline, and it doesn't look like they are." That simply ISN'T true. The adults of the Magic Realm DO have such powers and went to schools such as Hogwarts, and DID learn discipline. Those who didn't accept such discipline, like Anakin, turned to the dark side when Voldemort took power and seduced them. I'm sorry, but if you haven't read the books then you can't really comment on it in depth, just as much as I don't presume to know about 'Ender's Game'. I saw the POTTER movie and didn't like it as much as the books at all, because the depth was missing, despite the length of the movie. I don't doubt the 'seriousness' of the Jedi council (as much seriousness as one can have with a green midget with a tranvestite's voice leading the council - don't tell me that you don't get the giggles when picturing Yoda holding a lightsaber), but I also do think that Hogwart's and the educational discplines are just as severe, as you WOULD find out if you read the books. The books aren't as cosy as the movie made it out, the foreboding threat and danger of the 'dark side' of magic, and the power to discipline oneself to avoid it is very much the heart of the stories. Over the course of four books already we see how this is the case. As for the context argument, I think the same applies to Potter. I don't doubt the context and the seriousness in Star Wars and Tolkien's Middle Earth at all, its all a question of styles to me - at the end of the day all three tell the EXACT same story; the struggle between good and evil, the light and the dark side. Ant. __________________

01-29-2002, 02:31 AM	#27
Achtung Bubba Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: One Nation. Under God. Posts: 1,513 Local Time: 08:08 PM	How can you compare Yoda to Bugs? One's animated, the other's three-dimensional. One's naturally a smart aleck, the other is a wizened Jedi master. Besides, Yoda kicks ass: * He was right about Anakin being dangerous. * He trained Luke, who restored the Jedi. * He lifted a damn X-Wing! Honestly, if you and Yoda were standing side-by-side, waiting to be picked for a game of basketball, he'd be picked first - and WE ALL KNOW THAT. Yes, he hasn't got the size. But with his Force powers, he can shoot a three from the other side of the court. Basically, I think your just envious - green with envy. __________________

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mad1 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2001 Location: Angie Jolie lover from Belfast Norn Ireland. I LOVE YOU ANGIE! Im a Bono fan! Posts: 13,169 Local Time: 02:08 AM	CS Lewis lived a few streets away from me, I swear to Jaysus.......

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foray Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: full of sound and fury Posts: 3,386 Local Time: 02:08 PM	My favourite children's author is Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Anyone read him? What were we talking about again?? (lol) Oh yes..! Melon, have you gotten hold of anything yet? foray

01-28-2002, 03:23 PM	#26
Anthony Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,538 Local Time: 01:08 AM	Okay, fine... forget the Bugs comparison on account that Yoda is three-dimensional and replace him with someone like Elmo... or wait, the Cookie Monster, who is just as wise as the venerable Yoda, in my opinion. No, I'm sorry, but I'm not green with envy (green is my favourite colour, though) and I do think I'm a better basketball player than the cute midget. And I still don't see why he kicks ass; * He was right about Anakin being dangerous. Anakin in the movie was an obnoxious and conceded little brat - it doesn't take Mystic Meg to notice he's a nasty piece of work. * He trained Luke, who restored the Jedi. It took Luke THREE bleeding movies to learn about the Force, and no matter what he did, I still think Luke's a sissy compared to Han Solo - now HE kicked ass. Plus, Luke snogged his own sister, the sick freak. And don't tell me he didn't know, he was in contact with the force, he ALWAYS knew. * He lifted a damn X-Wing! That, I grant you. The little dude is cool, I just don't think he could beat Darth Vader, he kicked ass too and was always my favourite. [This message has been edited by Anthony (edited 01-28-2002).]