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Old 06-14-2007, 10:33 AM   #101
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You desperately need a third...and fourth and fifth viable party. The two that you have are equally as useless.
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how does not voting change things?
When they get a 23% -or less- voter turnout, they'll realize how disillusioned the people are and know they have to change. It may not happen right away, but it's a start. We DO need other parties, other alternatives, new people with new ideas who aren't going to bow to the almighty dollar, lobbyists and 'party unity.' We need someone who will truly stand for US and let them know that is what they MUST do to get our support! You see, they want power, and if you don't let them have it, it will scare them. They will change, or hopefully, others will come along that will change things.

I must ask you- how does voting change things? You voted, nothing's changed!
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:25 AM   #103
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You desperately need a third...and fourth and fifth viable party. The two that you have are equally as useless.
















Could this man be the answer?

Not the most handsome fellow, but he does carry abit of needed charismo w him- even has a gorgeous classy wife. He is relatively untainted compared to the other candidates running. He hasn't even announced his candidacy and fairs very well in the current polls. Fellow Americans, this could very well be your new Daddy. So, say hello
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When they get a 23% -or less- voter turnout, they'll realize how disillusioned the people are and know they have to change.
If you believe this, you're as naive as you think we voters are.

Low voter turnouts allow those in power to consolidate their power and get away with thinking that maybe elections aren't needed.

No thinks. I'll keep voting so they know I'm still watching and paying attention.
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I must ask you- how does voting change things? You voted, nothing's changed!


i'm registered in VA, i voted, and George Allen lost and Jim Webb won. the senate went into the hands of the Democrats. that's a big deal.

so they cave on an Iraq vote. we can be disappointed, but this is quite different than saying that nothing has changed. the process is slow, but more power in the hands of the Democrats will start to change things.

and if you don't participatpe, you've lost your right to complain. they're counting on you not to vote, so they can mobilize the sheep who will vote how they want them to, so they can increase their power.

and there's a lot more to voting than selecting members of congress or the president. there are countless laws and local and state offices that can make quite a noticeable difference in the quality of life.

note this passage from a TIME magazine article on Bloomberg and Schwarenagger:

[q]They're also doing big things. Specifically, they're doing big things that Washington has failed to do. In a time of federal policy paralysis, when partisanship-on-crack has made compromise almost impossible, when President George W. Bush's political adviser is a household name but his domestic policy adviser was unknown even in Washington until he was arrested for shoplifting, cities and states are filling the void. Bloomberg and Schwarzenegger happen to be the best examples of this phenomenon as well as the best known. Bloomberg is 65; the Last Action Hero is turning 60; they've got better things to do than bicker and posture. "These are two exceptional and forceful guys who don't need the job at all; they had pretty damn good lives before they got into politics," says their mutual friend Warren Buffett. "They're in office to get things done. And they're doing that a lot better than anyone in D.C."

Look at global warming. Washington rejected the Kyoto Protocol, but more than 500 U.S. mayors have pledged to meet its emissions-reduction standards, none more aggressively than Bloomberg. His PlaNYC calls for a 30% cut in greenhouse gases by 2030. It will quadruple the city's bike lanes, convert the city's taxis to hybrids and impose a controversial congestion fee for driving into Manhattan. And Schwarzenegger signed the U.S.'s first cap on greenhouse gases, including unprecedented fuel-efficiency standards for California cars. (He's already tricked out two of his five Hummers, one to run on biofuel and another on hydrogen.) The feds have done nothing on fuel efficiency in two decades, but 11 states will follow California's lead if Bush grants a waiver. After signing a climate deal with Ontario — on the same day as his stem-cell deal — he said he had a message for Detroit: "Get off your butt!" He had a similar message for Washington. "Eventually, the Federal Government is going to get on board," he said. "If not, we're going to sue."
But they're tackling not just the climate. Bloomberg is leading a national crackdown on illegal guns, along with America's biggest affordable-housing program. He also enacted America's most draconian smoking ban and the first big-city trans-fat ban. And he's so concerned about Washington's neglect of the working poor that he's raised $50 million in private money, including some of his own millions, to fund a pilot workfare program. Meanwhile, after the Bush Administration rebuffed California's appeals for help repairing the precarious levees that protect Sacramento, Schwarzenegger pushed through $42 billion worth of bonds to start rebuilding the state's infrastructure. He's also pushing a universal health-insurance plan and hopes to negotiate a deal with Democrats this summer. "All the great ideas are coming from state and local governments," Schwarzenegger told Time. "We're not going to wait for Big Daddy to take care of us."

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So they're not exactly playing politics as usual. But their model of crossing party lines to act where Washington won't is increasingly common. As D.C. politics has become more of a zero-sum partisan game, mayors and Governors in both parties have taken on predatory lending, obesity, energy, health care and even immigration. "It's innovation by necessity," says Stephen Goldsmith, a former Republican mayor of Indianapolis who oversees Harvard's Innovations in American Government awards. This year hardly any federal programs applied. "Very unusual," Goldsmith says.[/q]



there's more to voting than just sending people to Washington DC. and you can bet that if Al Gore had won, or Kerry had won, things would be different than they are today.
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..and if if and ands were candys and chocolates we would all have a Happy Hallowen and a very Merry Christmas.
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Irvine, exxxxxxxcellent post as usual

Would you be interested in being some sort of speechwriter for me someday? You always manage to put into words what's on my mind so much more eloquently and clearer than I ever could.
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If you believe this, you're as naive as you think we voters are.

Exactly
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..and if if and ands were candys and chocolates we would all have a Happy Hallowen and a very Merry Christmas.
You've stopped making sense lately.
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You've stopped making sense lately.

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and you can bet that if Al Gore had won, or Kerry had won

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and if if and ands were candys and chocolates we would all have a Happy Hallowen and a very Merry Christmas.
The point is they didn't win, and you cannot live your life on
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get it?

However some butts may warrant an examination.





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You've stopped making sense lately.
Lately?
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This is about as low as he can go.

I was 18 when Nixon resigned. July 1974.

And he still had die hard supporters.


He still does. Just listen to some of my relatives.................
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There are plenty of them in my neck of the woods. If I get their gist, it's not so much that they support Bush, but they feel like in order to stay true to their moral Christian family (read: fascist fundamentalist) values, they have to blindly support "God's chosen one" (read: the Republican).

OK, now I'm going to go purge because I just typed that
Yeah, they want to support the conservative agenda......and that means giving Bush positive ratings to people who call doing these polls.
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It really scares me when people believe leaders are in office because God wanted them there, and that everything they do is the will of God. I find much of it rather unholy myself....
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It's being noted in Turkey. Full article represented due to registration requirements. BTW Bush is very unpopular in Turkey.

Bush plunges to new low in poll
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U.S. President George W. Bush's approval rating plunged to a new low of 29 percent in the Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday. With the public disenchanted by his Iraq strategy, and in the wake of a White House defeat on a landmark immigration bill, Bush hit his lowest level in six years.

Two-thirds of Americans say they disapprove of how he is leading the country, up from 61 percent last December. Likewise, only two Americans in 10 said in the new poll that they feel the country is headed in the right direction, compared to 22 percent just two months ago and 29 percent in December. Approximately 68 percent said the country is on the wrong track, 12 points higher than six months ago.

The dismal news for the White House was underscored by equally bad news for Bush's Republican Party 17 months before presidential elections: 49 percent of those surveyed for the poll said the Democrat Party most closely reflects their beliefs, against 36 percent who felt that about Republicans.

That was the Republican Party's lowest showing in the two decades of the WSJ/NBC poll, the Journal said. To underscore that, 52 percent of the 1,008 adults surveyed said they would prefer a Democrat in the 2008 race, while only 31 percent said they would choose a Republican. "The political environment for Republicans continues to erode," pollster Neil Newhouse commented.

The erosion in support for Bush came from his core Republican backers in light of the lack of evident progress toward a resolution of the Iraq war, and following Bush's support for a bill that offers 12 million illegal aliens a chance to become citizens. The bill, which has stalled in the Senate, provoked deep ire from US conservatives.

However, the Journal noted, the poll was not all-good news for Democrats: at just 23 percent, the approval rating for the Democrat-led Congress is lower than Bush's.
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26 Least popular President since Nixon

Newsweek Poll: How Low Can Bush Go?
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Updated: 11:49 a.m. ET June 21, 2007

June 21, 2007 - In 19 months, George W. Bush will leave the White House for the last time. The latest NEWSWEEK Poll suggests that he faces a steep climb if he hopes to coax the country back to his side before he goes. In the new poll, conducted Monday and Tuesday nights, President Bush’s approval rating has reached a record low. Only 26 percent of Americans, just over one in four, approve of the job the 43rd president is doing; while, a record 65 percent disapprove, including nearly a third of Republicans.

The new numbers—a 2 point drop from the last NEWSWEEK Poll at the beginning of May—are statistically unchanged, given the poll’s 4 point margin of error. But the 26 percent rating puts Bush lower than Jimmy Carter, who sunk to his nadir of 28 percent in a Gallup poll in June 1979. In fact, the only president in the last 35 years to score lower than Bush is Richard Nixon. Nixon’s approval rating tumbled to 23 percent in January 1974, seven months before his resignation over the botched Watergate break-in.

The war in Iraq continues to drag Bush down. A record 73 percent of Americans disapprove of the job Bush has done handling Iraq. Despite “the surge” in U.S. forces into Baghdad and Iraq’s western Anbar province, a record-low 23 percent of Americans approve of the president’s actions in Iraq, down 5 points since the end of March.

But the White House cannot pin his rating on the war alone. Bush scores record or near record lows on every major issue: from the economy (34 percent approve, 60 percent disapprove) to health care (28 percent approve, 61 percent disapprove) to immigration (23 percent approve, 63 percent disapprove). And—in the worst news, perhaps, for the crowded field of Republicans hoping to succeed Bush in 2008—50 percent of Americans disapprove of the president’s handling of terrorism and homeland security. Only 43 percent approve, on an issue that has been the GOP’s trump card in national elections since 9/11.

If there is any good news for Bush and the Republicans in the latest NEWSWEEK Poll, it’s that the Democratic-led Congress fares even worse than the president. Only 25 percent of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing.

In the scariest news for the Democratic candidates seeking their party’s nomination in 2008, even rank-and-file Democrats are unhappy with Congress, which is narrowly controlled by their party. Only 27 percent of Democrats approve of the job Congress is doing, a statistically insignificant difference from the 25 percent of Republicans and 25 percent of independents who approve of Congress.

Overall, 63 percent of Americans disapprove of the job Congress is doing, including 60 percent of Democrats, 67 percent of Republicans and 64 percent of Independents. Apparently, voters aren’t happy with anyone in Washington these days.
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And the Democratic Congress has a 14% confidence rating.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/gallup/200...o_hmos_an.html

There's a general disdain for Washington right now.
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And the Democratic Congress has a 14% confidence rating.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/gallup/200...o_hmos_an.html

There's a general disdain for Washington right now.

The reason Congress is so low
is because they have not taken it to Bush

if the GOP had Congress
the President would be at 16% and congress would be at 9%
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I saw a Tshirt the other day that said "I never thought I'd miss Nixon...thanks Bush" or something along those lines.

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26 Least popular President since Nixon

Newsweek Poll: How Low Can Bush Go?
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Updated: 11:49 a.m. ET June 21, 2007

June 21, 2007 - In 19 months, George W. Bush will leave the White House for the last time. The latest NEWSWEEK Poll suggests that he faces a steep climb if he hopes to coax the country back to his side before he goes. In the new poll, conducted Monday and Tuesday nights, President Bush’s approval rating has reached a record low. Only 26 percent of Americans, just over one in four, approve of the job the 43rd president is doing; while, a record 65 percent disapprove, including nearly a third of Republicans.

The new numbers—a 2 point drop from the last NEWSWEEK Poll at the beginning of May—are statistically unchanged, given the poll’s 4 point margin of error. But the 26 percent rating puts Bush lower than Jimmy Carter, who sunk to his nadir of 28 percent in a Gallup poll in June 1979. In fact, the only president in the last 35 years to score lower than Bush is Richard Nixon. Nixon’s approval rating tumbled to 23 percent in January 1974, seven months before his resignation over the botched Watergate break-in.

The war in Iraq continues to drag Bush down. A record 73 percent of Americans disapprove of the job Bush has done handling Iraq. Despite “the surge” in U.S. forces into Baghdad and Iraq’s western Anbar province, a record-low 23 percent of Americans approve of the president’s actions in Iraq, down 5 points since the end of March.

But the White House cannot pin his rating on the war alone. Bush scores record or near record lows on every major issue: from the economy (34 percent approve, 60 percent disapprove) to health care (28 percent approve, 61 percent disapprove) to immigration (23 percent approve, 63 percent disapprove). And—in the worst news, perhaps, for the crowded field of Republicans hoping to succeed Bush in 2008—50 percent of Americans disapprove of the president’s handling of terrorism and homeland security. Only 43 percent approve, on an issue that has been the GOP’s trump card in national elections since 9/11.

If there is any good news for Bush and the Republicans in the latest NEWSWEEK Poll, it’s that the Democratic-led Congress fares even worse than the president. Only 25 percent of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing.

In the scariest news for the Democratic candidates seeking their party’s nomination in 2008, even rank-and-file Democrats are unhappy with Congress, which is narrowly controlled by their party. Only 27 percent of Democrats approve of the job Congress is doing, a statistically insignificant difference from the 25 percent of Republicans and 25 percent of independents who approve of Congress.

Overall, 63 percent of Americans disapprove of the job Congress is doing, including 60 percent of Democrats, 67 percent of Republicans and 64 percent of Independents. Apparently, voters aren’t happy with anyone in Washington these days.
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There's a general disdain for Washington right now.


do you think that's really an adequate explanation for Bush's numbers?

Congressional numbers, absolutely. witness the Schwarzenagger/Bloomberg cover of Newsweek.

but Bush?
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