nbcrusader said:
It is simplistic and naive. He is playing to the sound bite, not articulating a plan.
But, that is what gets votes....
Perhaps you'd like to outline Bush's plan to become the "peace president."
nbcrusader said:
It is simplistic and naive. He is playing to the sound bite, not articulating a plan.
But, that is what gets votes....
Iraq at Risk of Becoming 'Failed State' - MPs
By Gavin Cordon and John Deane, Political Staff, PA News
The failure of Britain and the US to impose order in Iraq has turned the country into a ?battle ground for al Qaida?, MPs said today.
The Commons Foreign Affairs Committee said there were ?insufficient? coalition troops in Iraq to maintain security and warned that the country was in danger of becoming a ?failed state? bringing further instability to the region.
At the same time, it warned that Afghanistan could ?implode? with ?terrible consequences? unless the international force sent to build stability following the overthrow of the Taliban was strengthened.
In its fifth report on the ?war against terrorism?, the committee delivered a bleak assessment of the progress that had been made by Britain and the US.
It said that al Qaida continued to pose a ?very serious threat? to the UK and its interests around the world.
The committee urged the Government to step up its diplomatic efforts to get more countries ? particularly Muslim states ? to commit troops to Iraq, both to lend legitimacy to the coalition and to strengthen their beleaguered forces.
?Iraq has become a ?battle ground? for al Qaida, with appalling consequences for the Iraqi people. The coalition?s failure to bring law and order to parts of Iraq created a vacuum into which criminal elements and militias have stepped,? it said.
The rest from Scotsman.com
The committee urged the Government to step up its diplomatic efforts to get more countries ? particularly Muslim states ? to commit troops to Iraq, both to lend legitimacy to the coalition and to strengthen their beleaguered forces.
?Iraq has become a ?battle ground? for al Qaida, with appalling consequences for the Iraqi people. The coalition?s failure to bring law and order to parts of Iraq created a vacuum into which criminal elements and militias have stepped,? it said.
?The insufficient number of troops in Iraq has contributed to the deterioration in security.
?The failure of countries other than the US and the United Kingdom to send significant numbers of troops has had serious and regrettable consequences, not only for the Iraqis but also in terms of the burden placed on UK resources and perceptions of the legitimacy of operations in Iraq.?
The committee?s report coincided with proposals by Saudi Arabia to encourage Muslim states which do not directly border on Iraq to send troops to help build stability.
The Saudi initiative was welcomed by both Iraqi prime minister Iyad Allawi and US Secretary of State Colin Powell.
The committee warned that the failure to deliver security in Iraq could have dire consequences for the entire region.
?The alternative to a positive outcome in Iraq may be a failed state and regional instability,? it said.
?It is therefore of the utmost importance that current problems are resolved in favour of the forces of order and that those who seek to impede Iraq?s transition to a free and democratic state are defeated.?
ThatGuy said:I have serious doubts about whether or not democracy can be imposed upon a people, but that's not really the point here.
The two writers of the article aren't anti-Iraqi democracy. Did you read the article?
It's not about democracy, it's about getting in more international support to stabliize the region.
ThatGuy said:I am not a world leader, STING. However if you think that foreign countries who did not support us before would not change their mind with a new president, then I really think you have blinders on to the sentiments outside of the US.
Now will you explain Bush's "peace president" policy? NBC must still be looking up sources for his rebuttal.
ThatGuy said:Fair enough on the peace president bit. I have issues with almost everything you said, but I can understand why you're saying it.
Regarding your first paragraph, sheesh. Come on, STING, I don't have a crystal ball here. I do believe that countries will do a 180 degree turnabout when new presidents take office. Look at our relationships with other countries in the Cllinton years compared to the ones we have now. If you wnat specifics, I'm afraid I can't offer any. But can you give me specific numbers regarding Bush's plans for the future of Iraq? How many more troops is he going to need to send in to stabilize the country? How many more billions of dollars are we and Britain going to have to shoulder on our own? Given the choice between someone who has the chance of building a true coalition to help ease our burden, and someone who has no chance of doing so, my choice is clear.
U2Fan101 said:I was pro-Kerry for the longest time since I am democrat and a classical musician - thus, Democrats support government programs and republicans do not. And since the National Endownment of the Arts is a government program, I was gonna do Kerry.
But....
With terrorism and all of that, "10 out of 10 terrorists want Kerry to win. 10 out of 10 Democrats want Kerry to win". This was a bumper sticker I saw.
Bush has brass balls, and the terrorists know this. Kerry is a dove, Bush is a hawk.
If I want National Endownment of the Arts, then I want security, and military.
So....after this long winded explination -
I am American. I am voting for Bush.
U2Fan101 said:I was pro-Kerry for the longest time since I am democrat and a classical musician - thus, Democrats support government programs and republicans do not. And since the National Endownment of the Arts is a government program, I was gonna do Kerry.
But....
With terrorism and all of that, "10 out of 10 terrorists want Kerry to win. 10 out of 10 Democrats want Kerry to win". This was a bumper sticker I saw.
Bush has brass balls, and the terrorists know this. Kerry is a dove, Bush is a hawk.
If I want National Endownment of the Arts, then I want security, and military.
So....after this long winded explination -
I am American. I am voting for Bush.
STING2 said:
I can give you specifics on Bush's plans for Iraq. Currently, the United States has about 140,000 troops in Iraq which includes 18 Combat Brigades. This force will level will continue for the next 18 to 24 months. During this time, training of the Iraqi Police force and Iraqi Army will continue. The Iraqi Police Force and Iraqi Military will grow in size and capability through continued funding and training from the United States and other Coalition members. Within 18 to 24 months, IRAQI's not US troops or Coalition troops, will beging to take on a much larger role in protecting the Iraqi people and Iraqi society from the Terrorist and Saddam Loyalist hiding in the Sunni Triangle. As these Iraqi forces take over more of the security task, US and coalition troops will be able to withdraw.
Under Bush the United States will continue to spend 20 Billion dollars a year specifically on growing and developing the Iraqi government, society, economy, police, military and other security services. In doing so, the Iraqi's will be able to take over the security effort for their own country. Completely rooting out all the terrorist and Saddam Loyalist in Iraq is going to take years but the Iraqi people are up to the task if they are GIVEN the opportunity and the support needed to succeed. In January 2005, Iraq will hold the first democratic elections in their history. The only reason this is possible is because the United States and the Coalition removed Saddam from power out of necessity to insure regional and global security.
Please explain to me what a "True Coalition" is and give me a historical example. Can you tell me anything that Kerry can and will do that Bush can't and why that is, in more detail?
What was our relationship like in the Clinton years with other countries that is so fundamentally different now?
FizzingWhizzbees said:
Drop the kiss part of that sentence and you've got a deal.
ThatGuy said:
I urge you to read this editorial.
And remember, Bush is the only candidate officially endorsed by al-Qaeda.