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Old 05-23-2007, 08:03 AM   #21
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I proudly listen to Rush Limbaugh and trust what he says, and he has reported such footage existing.
Was he high when he said that?
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Old 05-23-2007, 09:02 AM   #22
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Huh? That doesnt make any sense.

I'm referring to the footage Powell showed the UN. I'm not sure if the stuff can even be found on the internet, and I dont want to look for it. Unlike surely every single person here, I proudly listen to Rush Limbaugh and trust what he says, and he has reported such footage existing.
Well kid then you completely misunderstood what Powell was trying to do, you somehow forgot that almost 90% of that intelligence was later found to be discredited, and you completely misunderstood what Earnie was saying.

Plus you should never trust 100% any mouthpiece for the left or right.

So right now you're 0 for 4.
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Old 05-23-2007, 09:07 AM   #23
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This is very disturbing. I can't believe there's not more outrage among the citizens, and the military ranks themselves.
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The point is, going back to the original topic, is that we need a surge. We need to start fighting this war with everything we've got. The only ways to win this war involve increasing the number of troops.

Oh, wait, Harry Reid said we lost though. I guess he knows what he's talking about.
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The point is, going back to the original topic, is that we need a surge. We need to start fighting this war with everything we've got. The only ways to win this war involve increasing the number of troops.

Whereas you are misinformed about the satellite images, I completely agree with you here.

This is the only chance we have to really finish this war.
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But the problem is, like in Viet Nam, they will never be able to do the things they need to do to win. The US could wipe them out in a couple of days if the got brutal, but they can't because they're worried about what the rest of the world, especially the Arab neighbors, would say. So it's just another stalemate and we're up to losing 7 guys per day. We never should have been there in the first place and the longer this goes, the deeper shit it becomes. Get out now.
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This is the only chance we have to really finish this war.
What would have to happen before you would consider it won and over? That our puppet government was in control and everyone in Iraq has a BMW and goes to the mall? The place is torn to pieces and split into factions. Nothing is going to heal that except letting THEM fight it out amongst themselves with no foreign intervention.
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What would have to happen before you would consider it won and over? That our puppet government was in control and everyone in Iraq has a BMW and goes to the mall? The place is torn to pieces and split into factions. Nothing is going to heal that except letting THEM fight it out amongst themselves with no foreign intervention.
Nation building takes time. We have to get their military and government up and running and suficient or we've wasted our time there, and every death was in vain.
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George Bush is a hypocrite. He evaded the draft, but doesn't seem to mind forcing others to fight his wars.
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But the problem is, like in Viet Nam, they will never be able to do the things they need to do to win. The US could wipe them out in a couple of days if the got brutal, but they can't because they're worried about what the rest of the world, especially the Arab neighbors, would say. So it's just another stalemate and we're up to losing 7 guys per day. We never should have been there in the first place and the longer this goes, the deeper shit it becomes. Get out now.

Judging by your name, I'm assuming you're just a hater who despises any and all government. The US absolutely should not and does not worry about what other countries think of us. If we did, dont you think we'd leave Iraq considering most of the world wants us to?

Also, the US could not just "wipe them out in a couple of days" like you suggest. What do you propose? Simply killing every man, woman and child? That would not solve anything.

Keep in mind this is not a war against Iraq. This is a war against radical Islam and the nations that knowingly harbor terrorists. If and when Iraq gets stababilized and we can begin to leave, there will most likely be additional conflicts in this war on terror. I heard it put that we are about 2 steps into a million step campaign. We cannot stop now.
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When the fuck are all you pro-war kids joining up to "finish the job"?
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The only ways to win this war involve increasing the number of troops.
No it is certainly not the only way to resolve this conflict.

And my point which I was making earlier, is that everyone who thinks we need more troops, or who politically supports this absurd war, should go to the nearest recruiter and sign up. My friends who have been to Iraq, or are on their way, agree that this is a mess we've gotten ourselves into. Yet there are plenty people who disagree who haven't set foot there. You want more troops? Add your name. This isn't just about numbers. These are real lives.


ETA: as usual, in what takes me 3 minutes to write, martha sums up much better in a one-liner that emcompasses everything.
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When the fuck are all you pro-war kids joining up to "finish the job"?
I'm kind of tired of answering this. We dont have a draft. I dont have to join the military if I dont want to, and I dont want to. Obvioulsy, the kids overseas feel differently, and DO want to fight.

If you want to play that game, why dont you take the next plane to Africa, give every cent you have to the people living there, and invite as many as you can to come back to America and live in your house with you?

You can support a cause in a number of different ways, martha.
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I'm kind of tired of answering this. We dont have a draft. I dont have to join the military if I dont want to, and I dont want to. Obvioulsy, the kids overseas feel differently, and DO want to fight.

I'm curious to know how many soldiers over there still want to fight after completing year long tours and then get shipped right back over there. Or how many National Guardsmen signed up thinking that they would be over fighting a war rather than giving their weekend a month and supporting the country on the domestic front.

What exactly are you doing to support the troops? Are you organizing any sort of clothing drive or book drive?

You may not want to fight, but you have no problems sending other people over to fight - which is complete bullshit. You play the role of an armchair quarterback while they dodge IEDs. It's the better you than me attitude or you signed up for it attitude which says so much about the war and this country right now.
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I'm curious to know how many soldiers over there still want to fight after completing year long tours and then get shipped right back over there. Or how many National Guardsmen signed up thinking that they would be over fighting a war rather than giving their weekend a month and supporting the country on the domestic front.

What exactly are you doing to support the troops? Are you organizing any sort of clothing drive or book drive?

You may not want to fight, but you have no problems sending other people over to fight - which is complete bullshit. You play the role of an armchair quarterback while they dodge IEDs. It's the better you than me attitude or you signed up for it attitude which says so much about the war and this country right now.
Come on, you know just as well as I do that I am not "sending other people over to fight." I'm pretty sure I have not done that. And you're in no position to say what kind of "attitude" I have.

The brave kids that signed up probably did not foresee the current situation, but THEY JOINED THE MILITARY. I would believe that anyone who signs up to go to war knows that there is a possibility of death.
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2861U2, it's obvious your knowledge on the war is lacking, but it's also becoming apparent that your logic is failing as well.

"You may not want to fight, but you have no problems sending other people over to fight"

What part of that line didn't make sense to you? You're pushing for more troops in a dead end war, tell me why exactly you are willing to join, you're the perfect age?
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No, my knowledge of the war is fine. I guess I'm the only one who sees the consequences of us simply leaving Iraq. I guess I'm the only one who understands that leaving Iraq will not make the terrorist problem go away.
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No, my knowledge of the war is fine.
No, given your satellite comment your knowledge is grossly flawed. GROSSLY...

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I guess I'm the only one who sees the consequences of us simply leaving Iraq. I guess I'm the only one who understands that leaving Iraq will not make the terrorist problem go away.
That's not what we're talking about here, you are talking about surging more troops, something that many even in the military think is a huge mistake. And I haven't seen any evidence or solution that says Iraq will make a terrorist problem go away.
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The brave kids that signed up probably did not foresee the current situation, but THEY JOINED THE MILITARY. I would believe that anyone who signs up to go to war knows that there is a possibility of death.
And you've managed to contradict yourself. You just said they couldn't forsee the current situation, then you say they signed up to go to war? I don't know a single person in the military who signed up "to go to war." Like I said before, my friends certainly do not agree with the way this war is being managed, but yet are being sent back, or having their tours extended because people like you want to keep them there, yet refuse to go themselves.

I'm curious, if you don't mind sharing. What is holding you back from contributing to this surge that you believe in so much?
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