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Ah I'd forgotten that, Steinbrenner indeed...a dark day for sure. And I think Don King got pardoned on a MURDER conviction by the at-the-time governor (Ohio I think?).
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it's so good to discover that Bush, our Christian President, has finally discovered mercy and compassion!
__________________he didn't have any as governor of Texas: [q]In the weeks before the execution, Bush says, a number of protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Karla Faye Tucker. "Did you meet with any of them?" I ask. Bush whips around and stares at me. "No, I didn't meet with any of them", he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. "I didn't meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with Tucker, though. He asked her real difficult questions like, 'What would you say to Governor Bush?'" "What was her answer?" I wonder. "'Please,'" Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "'don't kill me.'" I must look shocked — ridiculing the pleas of a condemned prisoner who has since been executed seems odd and cruel — because he immediately stops smirking.[/q] |
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#443 |
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I still don't understand why a president has this right to commute and pardon people...it is like a big 'fuck you' to the court system and the rule of law. Hmm I wonder if the pm of the UK has any similar rights....it just seems a completely daft rule.
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This is the exact reason why I support our(UK, Canada, Oz, NZ) constitutional monarchy system.
Our shared Queen has power, but doesn't use it. The government(PM) uses the power but doesn't hold it. Our head of state and head of government are 2 different people. Democracy working at it's best. This could be another topic though. |
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This ploy by Congress, regarding today's actions, is merely a way for them to get the pressure off themselves, for they have been able to do nothing for their first year in office. In return, they try to keep the heat up on Bush to offset their lack of victories in Capitol Hill. Our democracy is still the finest ever. |
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the current administration isn't terribly fond of the division of powers or checks and balances, especially our vice president. after all, it gets in his way of adequately defending the country as he and he alone sees fit, thusly, we've seen the greatest expansion of executive powers -- all justified by the purposefuly vague "war" on terror -- in all of our lifetimes, and perhaps since the civil war. Quote:
i might have agreed with you in 1999. but no one can reasonably say that 2001-2009 were banner years in the history of American democracy. no one. |
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struckpx -- "So you are saying that our democracy doesn't work?"
I never said your democracy doesn't work. I said, this current pardon issue with Libby is why I prefer our constitutional monarchy system over the US system. The example being, our Queen can only grant pardons on advice of the gov't. Pardoning power in the US is granted to the President. |
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i just don't want to make it seem that our president has dictative powers, because that is far from the truth. almost every power he has can be overruled in some way. |
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I absolutely prefer ours and I'll tell you why. When our Prime Minister sucks ass or is seen as a thug, we hold a no confidence vote and boot his ass out of office. Our elections last 5 weeks and not 3 years and are publicly funded so that we're not throwing out ridiculous amounts of money on stupidities. Our Supreme Court is not politicized like yours, and although certain justices certainly lean one way or another on issues, it is not polarized like the SCOTUS, which has frankly become a complete joke. There are things wrong with it as well (a useless Senate is one), but overall I believe it's better. If Bush was the PM, he'd have been gone eons ago. ![]() |
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In the United States, the pardon power for Federal crimes is granted to the President by the United States Constitution, Article II, Section 2, which states that the President: shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment. The Supreme Court has interpreted this language to include the power to grant pardons, conditional pardons, commutations of sentence, conditional commutations of sentence, remissions of fines and forfeitures, respites and amnesties.[1] All federal pardon petitions are addressed to the President, who grants or denies the request. Quote:
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I think the hate is directed towards those in power than the American system itself.
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^^Precisely.
The topic of this thread is open for discussion and as far as I'm concerned, questioning the power of the President is open for debate. Why not? I've certainly not demonstrated any hatred for the US...lol. |
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please. there is more to this world than that. and i am just fed up w/ the anti-american sentiment in here. if it was israel, it would be acceptable, but we are not the devils. we do not wake up each day wanting to take over the world. president bush does not do that either. he is currently in a bad situation w/ people around him that have screwed him. he has been forced to make tough decisions which i am sure hurt him deeply. i just hear complaining in the forum. can we at least have one thread that has a positive outlook on the world. everything seems to go negative. just an idea. |
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I do agree that having a poor cabinet does hurt the overall administration, but that's a given. Under what circumstances would you stop justifying Bush's actions and stop supporting him?
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I've seen you accuse people of being Saddam supporters, none were justified. I've seen you call people idiots, none were justified. So sorry if you think anything but your beliefs to be anti-america, but I love this country, I may not like some of it's leaders, I may not always like some of it's actions, but I love this country. You should take a step back and really look at what you are accusing and attacking people in here of... |
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