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Old 07-05-2007, 02:37 PM   #301
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Agreed and my apologies. I'm just so angry at this bunch and at the issue in general; but it's no excuse I should have filtered a lot better.
Why are you angry with us?

You haven't even addressed a number of posts responding to your post, either.
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I guess saying "It's just liberals bashing Bush" is a classier way of saying "Nuh-uh, you're wrong."

Neither has any evidence, backing, or relevance to the debate.

The funny thing is that I'm not even liberal!
Ugh. Just implying It's conservatives just saying "It's just liberals bashing Bush' is a classier way of saying 'Nuh-uh, you're wrong" is a classier way of saying Nuh-uh, you're wrong.
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Ugh. Just implying It's conservatives just saying "It's just liberals bashing Bush' is a classier way of saying 'Nuh-uh, you're wrong" is a classier way of saying Nuh-uh, you're wrong.
Again, I ask you to read our posts in response to you.

My whole point is that the only arguments heard against mine are those blaming this as liberal bashing and trying to point a finger at Clinton, while completely ignoring the actual issue.

Which is the cover-up.
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Agreed and my apologies. I'm just so angry at this bunch and at the issue in general; but it's no excuse I should have filtered a lot better.
If "this bunch" makes you so angry with all this "nonsense", why do you come here? Like to get upset about nonsense?
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it was a witch hunt, GW recognize that fact and didn't let Scooter off scot fre.

Once you ppl freely admit those facts you'll start feeling better about yourselves and stop being so miserable.

I doubt that some of you can, you prefer being angry and miserable over sane and productive.

It's that simple.

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I don't see how productive it is to step away from the topic at hand and insult people. I'm still waiting for a counter-response regarding the points of the matter at hand i listed in the previous page.
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^ Agreed.

Perhaps an elaboration or defense of this point would be a good place to start, since that appears to be the core of the disagreement (doesn't have to come from Snowlock, I'm just quoting him because he stated it explicitly):
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The coverup isn't the issue either. That's been resolved via the trial and verdict.
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I don't see how productive it is to step away from the topic at hand and insult people. I'm still waiting for a counter-response regarding the points of the matter at hand i listed in the previous page.
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I'm still waiting for a counter-response regarding the points of the matter at hand i listed in the previous page.
I think the fact that you haven't gotten a counter-response speaks volumes itself.
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I think the fact that you haven't gotten a counter-response speaks volumes itself.
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I'm guessing this is the equivalent of conceding the argument.
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When did this turn into the hug thread?
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I'm really confused.

So some say it's "totally discusting", but since Clinton did it, it's fine.

Others say "any president would do the same thing, so who cares"

And one even gives the action a thumbs up...

So do any of you actually understand the issue?
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How are those facts? Which part of Fitzgerald's statements are you basing that off of?

The real "witchhunt" is how Cheney outed Plame and endangered her family and our national security, all because Wilson decided to call the administration out on their flaws.
These are not facts. Cheney did not out Plame. A Cheney henchman did not out Plame. The special prosectuor knew who and chose not to indict. It was this man:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/...age/index.html

I agree that the whole Libby situation is lousy and stinks to high heaven. If it was my choice he would have spent a few months in the slammer as he is a convicted felon. But conspiracy theories and cover-up theories are just that. They are not facts. No matter how many times they might be reguritated.
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These are not facts. Cheney did not out Plame. A Cheney henchman did not out Plame. The special prosectuor knew who and chose not to indict. It was this man:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/...age/index.html

I agree that the whole Libby situation is lousy and stinks to high heaven. If it was my choice he would have spent a few months in the slammer as he is a convicted felon. But conspiracy theories and cover-up theories are just that. They are not facts. No matter how many times they might be reguritated.
Here's what the White House has to say about Clinton's remarks:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- White House spokesman Tony Snow fired back at former President Bill Clinton after Clinton charged that the Bush administration believes the law is a "minor obstacle" in the "Scooter" Libby case.


The Clintons campaign at the Iowa State Fairgrounds in Des Moines on Monday.

"I don't know what Arkansan is for chutzpah, but this is a gigantic case of it," Snow told reporters in an off-camera briefing Wednesday.

Webster's New World dictionary defines chutzpah as "shameless audacity; imprudence; brass."

President Bush on Monday spared former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby from federal prison, commuting his 30-month sentence for perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to federal agents investigating the 2003 exposure of former CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson.

Bush left a $250,000 fine and two-year probation intact, but he left the door open to a pardon, which would clear Libby's record.

"You've got to understand, this is consistent with (Bush administration) philosophy," Clinton said during an interview on Des Moines news-talk station WHO.

Bush administration officials, he said, "believe that they should be able to do what they want to do, and that the law is a minor obstacle." Watch Bill Clinton sound off on Bush's decision »

In an op-ed piece in USA Today on Wednesday, Snow defended Bush's action, charging that Clinton was "in a mad rush to push through pardons with dizzying haste -- 141 grants on Clinton's final day in office, part of 211 in the final nine weeks."

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Clinton rips White House over Libby case


Analysis: Hypocrisy abounds on all sides of Libby case
Clinton's flurry of last-minute pardons issued as he left office in 2001 -- particularly his absolution of fugitive financier Marc Rich -- sparked largely partisan outrage. Critics alleged that the pardon of Rich was linked to contributions raised for Clinton's presidential library by Rich's ex-wife.

Libby's defenders have pointed to Democratic support for Clinton during that period to accuse critics of Bush's commutation order of hypocrisy.

Asked by a reporter if he was asserting that "two wrongs make a right," Snow said: "Do we feel we've done wrong? Do we feel we cut corners? The answer is no."

Snow also said the White House feels it is on safe legal ground in contending that Libby will serve two years of probation, despite questions now being raised by Judge Reggie Walton, who issued an order Tuesday suggesting Libby cannot serve any probation since he never served any prison time before the commutation.

"Strictly construed, the statute authorizing the imposition of supervised release indicates that such release should occur only after the defendant has already served a term of imprisonment," Walton wrote.

After first suggesting he wasn't sure, Snow said White House counsel Fred Fielding had "absolutely" checked on this question before the president signed off on the commutation.


"The White House did not make a misstep," he said. Despite the certainty expressed by Snow, he did add that there's some "gray area in the law."

Asked about the plan of House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers, D-Michigan, to probe the Libby commutation, Snow snapped that the congressman should "knock himself out," but also probe the slew of pardons granted at the end of the Clinton administration. E-mail to a friend
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It's all sleight of hand. Keep pointing attention to this hand while the other is letting criminals out AS WE SPEAK.

You hear that echo?
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