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A reminder to everyone that Bill Clinton has nothing to do with this whatsoever.
__________________A few reminders also: 1. This is a commute, not a pardon. 2. The main issue people have with this is the clear cover-up. 3. This is a commute, not a pardon. 4. It was described as "unprecedented" to commute someone before serving any jailtime. 5. Clinton has nothing to do with this. |
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Sure, if you look at just the raw numbers, of course Clinton granted more pardons. However, if you look a bit deeper, and compare the volume of requests for pardons or clemency and the percentage of pardons granted (which is a far more accurate way to compare the presidents), Clinton and Bush aren’t all that far apart. Regan’s percentage is nearly double that of Clinton’s! Ronald Regan Petitions Received: Pardon 2099 Clemency 1305 TOTAL 3404 Petitions Granted Pardon 393 Clemency 13 Remission of Fine 0 TOTAL 406 Petitions Denied Pardon 969 Clemency 318 TOTAL 1287 Petitions Closed Without Action Pardon 612 Clemency 905 Total 1517 Percentage of Petitions Granted: 11.93% George HW Bush Petitions Received: Pardon 731 Clemency 735 TOTAL 1466 Petitions Granted Pardon 74 Clemency 3 Remission of Fine 0 TOTAL 77 Petitions Denied Pardon 676 Clemency 429 TOTAL 1105 Petitions Closed Without Action Pardon 220 Clemency 296 Total 516 Percentage of Petitions Granted: 5.25% Bill Clinton Petitions Received: Pardon 2001 Clemency 5488 TOTAL 7489 Petitions Granted Pardon 396 Clemency 61 Remission of Fine 2 TOTAL Petitions Denied Pardon 655 Clemency 2387 TOTAL 3042 Petitions Closed Without Action Pardon 353 Clemency 1159 Total 1512 Percentage of Petitions Granted 6.13% |
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^ It's interesting how quickly facts will shut threads like this up...
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The issue is equal justice. The fact that Bush helped out a lackey, that isn't the issue. That's been going on since probably the first day of the formation of the first government in the history of man kind. The coverup isn't the issue either. That's been resolved via the trial and verdict. The issue IS equal justice. This was a miscarriage of justice and it's damn maddening. I don't care at this point what Rove did, he was convicted of breaking the law and sentenced, and to get out of it, he should have to go through due process just like everyone else. But you're all too tied up on the Daily Show and the Colbert Report to be the least bit objective about it. And the mere fact that you refuse to even acknowledge the fact that Clinton did the same if not worse just shows that you don't give a shit about the issue; you're just bitching about ideology. Bringing up Clinton turns the bulk of you into hypocrits and derails your hard on for Bush (ha). This is important stuff, and you're (general you're) giving it the same weight as the Rosie O'Donnel/Trump feud on the view. If you were all the least bit objective, and cared most about the true issue, which is equal justice, then you wouldn't be so fucking WORRIED about Clinton being brought up. |
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Kaching. Best post in the thread, altho we could lose the swearing. dbs |
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IMHO, an adult man who goes by the name of "Scooter" has serious issues, anyway. I'm just sayin' . . . .
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![]() THE ISSUE IS THE COVER-UP. Because of the commute, Scooter doesn't talk, so no one above him has to endure any penalty from the leak. |
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You obviously haven't read this thread, and you don't know what's going on. Who here's denied Clinton's actions? Read... it will do you well. |
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2) Your arrogance has caused you to make assumptions about me. For one, I don't watch TV. 3) Since you didn't bother to read any of my posts, you don't really have much of anything to go on regarding my "objectivity", or according to you, my lackthereof. I'm objective enough to read the whole thread. Now who is being arrogant? Did I say anything about Clinton not being corrupt? No. But your "objectivity" wouldn't know otherwise. The cover up IS the issue. Fitzgerald himself said that Libby is lying to keep Cheney's involvement in this whole issue nebulous. Clinton did not do the same. Clinton did not order the outing of a CIA agent to a) endanger the Plame/Wilson family and b) threaten our national security just for the mere sake of covering up his administration's corruption. Instead of making personal attacks against me, how about YOU try to be more objective or at least read up on the situation at hand. www.findlaw.com is a great place to start ![]() |
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As seems to be necessary, here's a reminder to everyone of what this thread is about:
1. Not Clinton. 2. A government cover-up. 3. Commutation as opposed to pardoning. Thanks and have a nice day. |
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The Left have their talking points nailed down pretty well in this thread
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![]() Why would a cover-up story of the Bush administration have anything to with the pardons of President Clinton? The whole reason for people's anger here is because with a commutation, Libby does not have to speak on the issue, and thus, those who told him to leak the information (Cheney) don't get into any trouble. |
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i really think that labeling this as a partisan issue is excluding consideration of some very important aspects regarding this topic.
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It's not a partisan issue.
__________________It's like this thread has an echo, but the echo comes back less intelligent the longer the thread gets. |
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