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Old 07-05-2002, 08:34 AM   #41
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Hi Angela Harlem,

First, I have to say, you get my vote for THE coolest U2 screen name ever.

Second, from the concerns in your post, I bet you'll be happy to hear that the other countries you mention DO give more than the US. I remember Prof. Sachs (from the Center of Intl. Development at Harvard) saying that. Link to the the interview is on u2.com.

So long, Angela Harlem. (Sorry.... )

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Whom? Don't mention then coward out. If you meant bin laden then how do you know he isn't dead?
Prove he is dead.


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SO we should avoid business dealings with Mexican politicians or Mexicans in general??? HuH??
What you imply is that the Bush family is so good at heart that they didn't know who they were dealing with? now they are even dumb? And I didn't expect more from you than the racist comment.Tha shows your class. If you want to know about corruption, check latest big USA coorporations fiascos

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maybe you should try pretzels, or maybe try making a point based on something besides meaningless slurred ramblings
I think I'm smart enough, to eat pretzels, and not choke.
The point is that you want to show why people should trust Mr. Bush. Especially since he is the one that apparently lied to Bono, and the people that trusted in the matter we were discussing here.

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And still not arguments. I guess I'm asking too much

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Hi Angela Harlem,

First, I have to say, you get my vote for THE coolest U2 screen name ever.

Second, from the concerns in your post, I bet you'll be happy to hear that the other countries you mention DO give more than the US. I remember Prof. Sachs (from the Center of Intl. Development at Harvard) saying that. Link to the the interview is on u2.com.



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Sherry-
Youre right Prof. Sachs did say this.
He is an esteemed, wise man.

HOWEVER-
These OTHER countries you mention that give more , can, and should right now. This FACT you are glossing over is..
..these other countries DO NOT have the SAME amount of items/problems.. on their plates as THE USA. (deficits/War on Terror..ect.)

Raf-
Plez stop fighting w Z.
Z plez stop egging him on.

You two fellas are like a Protestant and a Catholic arguing about Grace.
My advice-
Agree to disagree.
Peace.

Raf -Remember Diet Coke for me once GW is re-elected..and plez have Brother Vincente' Fox run it up to me..POOLSIDE

thank u
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Old 07-05-2002, 12:04 PM   #44
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Who cares whether Clinton or Bush did more? No more politician bashing.

I have said it before and I will say it again ... this is NOT a partisan issue? It's not an issue defined by borders, religion, or race.

It's a HUMAN issue. If you're human and have some level of compassion in your heart, you will recognize the need to reach out and help your fellow man.

Even if you don't have compassion, you should recognize the economic need to save Africa from the bruden of AIDS and debt.

A few months ago, I heard Andrew Young (mayor of Atlanta and fromer press secretary for Martin Luther King Jr.). He said that the root of violence is poverty. We see it inner cities of America today, we saw it in Afganistan and now we're seeing it in Africa ... violent men take over the government and institute tyranistic governments.

The US has got to help ... some way, some how. There are countries much smaller than the US committing more money to the problem (money in terms of a percent of their GDP). We should be setting the standard ... not falling behind it.
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Raf-
Plez stop fighting w Z.
Z plez stop egging him on.

You two fellas are like a Protestant and a Catholic arguing about Grace.
My advice-
Agree to disagree.
Peace.

Raf -Remember Diet Coke for me once GW is re-elected..and plez have Brother Vincente' Fox run it up to me..POOLSIDE

thank u
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For once I will take your advise, PEACE
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Sherry-
Youre right Prof. Sachs did say this.
He is an esteemed, wise man.

HOWEVER-
These OTHER countries you mention that give more , can, and should right now. This FACT you are glossing over is..
..these other countries DO NOT have the SAME amount of items/problems.. on their plates as THE USA. (deficits/War on Terror..ect.)
Sachs=

I'm not sure I agree with the rest of your arguement, though. For one, aid to Africa is an important weapon in our fight against terror; but its a long term one, so it takes vision and patience, and it's not very sexy.

Also, there are other countries involved in the war. Not as heavily, since they aren't the primary target (yet), but they are involved, esp. Canada and Britan. (God bless you all, BTW ) And we're hardly the only country with a deficit, to my knowledge.

Finally, "But we're doing enough, they should do it" just plain ole sounds like a lame excuse to me. Everyone always thinks someone else should do it, so no one does. One of the reasons I started this letter writing campaign was because I started listening to my own excuses (someone else will, I've done enough, no one will listen anyway, I'm too busy, I'm too tired right now) and they were really dumb.

Jess, very well said!

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Prove he is dead.
Prove he is alive


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What you imply is that the Bush family is so good at heart that they didn't know who they were dealing with? now they are even dumb? And I didn't expect more from you than the racist comment.Tha shows your class. If you want to know about corruption, check latest big USA coorporations fiascos
Prove that "latest big USA coorporations fiascos have anything to do with George W. Bush. Prove it bro.

No I didn't make a racist comment, you took it wrong. I am not a racist, I hope you are not serious?!?

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I think I'm smart enough, to eat pretzels, and not choke.
anyone can choke on anything, my incredibly intelligent amigo. It has nothing to do with intelligence.

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The point is that you want to show why people should trust Mr. Bush. Especially since he is the one that apparently lied to Bono, and the people that trusted in the matter we were discussing here.


I hate to say this but Mr. Bush's responsibilites are much more involved than our can understand, or intervene with. Yet Mr. Bush has duly given our the time of day, and sent Paul O'Neill with him and will go himself to Africa next year. Yet we have fault in Mr. Bush. Because he lied? Prove he lied, what was it that he said anyways?

Not really trying to be arguementative with you Rafmed, but I disagree with you.

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Why, thankyou Sherry Darling! I must return the compliment and say I love your nick too, its so glam and reminds me of Ab Fab - Diamonds and champagne...don't ask me why, but I've always thought that
Also, its great what you are doing with the site too. And thanks for the info on what other countries are doing. I figured America couldnt surely be the only country helping, but I just dont hear about it.

And Diamond, that could be another argument for another day, whether America has more on its plate than other places. We dont have terrorism, but we do have some lost refugess wandering around the desert right now, whom I suspect are hiding in Brettig's spare bedroom. He wont admit helping them escape, but I wouldn't put it past him you know.
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Why, thankyou Sherry Darling! I must return the compliment and say I love your nick too, its so glam and reminds me of Ab Fab - Diamonds and champagne...don't ask me why, but I've always thought that
Also, its great what you are doing with the site too. And thanks for the info on what other countries are doing. I figured America couldnt surely be the only country helping, but I just dont hear about it.
Thanks Angela! My nick is from a Springsteen song (hey hey hey, whaddya say, Sherry Darlin....) Thanks for your support, too. We need all hands on deck with this....

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Not really trying to be arguementative with you Rafmed, but I disagree with you.

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I'm not sure I agree with the rest of your arguement, though. For one, aid to Africa is an important weapon in our fight against terror



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Ehh, in what way ? Do you mean as, you do what i want ore you do not get aid ? Ore as , i give you aid to lower the poverty and i hope you will respect me ?
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Ehh, in what way ? Do you mean as, you do what i want ore you do not get aid ? Ore as , i give you aid to lower the poverty and i hope you will respect me ?
Right now, the first situation you describe is what exists. The HPICs do X, they get Y. Not entirely sure who the "I" and "you" are in your second sentence, but I think Bono put it esp. well.

You don't have to be Henry Kissenger to figure out that a more prosperous world is a more secure world; a more educated world is a more tolerant world; and a more healthy world is a more stable world, and I think that would be a fitting memorial to those who lost their lives on Sept. 11th. ~Bono on Leno, Thanksgiving 2001

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Olive, I just want to make clear that I never, never doubt of Bono honesty, that is the one thing that is more certain. About "photo oportunities", well, check the succes of U2 and Bono in the USA, is easy for a politician to know that he will won more than it would lose hanging with that guy. and if is just one vote, they will go for it. and after the latest developments, it seems they only smiled to Bono while he was there, as soon as he leaved, they changed their minds.
okay i understand.


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Who cares whether Clinton or Bush did more? No more politician bashing.

I have said it before and I will say it again ... this is NOT a partisan issue? It's not an issue defined by borders, religion, or race.

It's a HUMAN issue. If you're human and have some level of compassion in your heart, you will recognize the need to reach out and help your fellow man.
You got it JessicaAnn. The US has the capability to do something revolutionary here for fellow humans. lets hope we can live up to the responsiblities.
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