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Old 12-11-2007, 07:27 PM   #21
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I'm actually not surprised this guy doesn't know any American women who don't waste a ton of money on grooming. He'd probably consider a woman who didn't wear a lot of makeup or (gasp!) none at all an offense against humanity not worth speaking to.
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I don't do squat with my appearance other than the necessities-i.e., showering, shaving, wearing clean clothes. I never wear makeup, I rarely ever mess with my hair
I didn't either when I was your age. I didn't need to. But the older I get, the more I spend on my appearance because I'd like to age gracefully and I am not ashamed of that. But I spend more on things you can't see, like exercise and supplements to stay fit. And actually I do notice that in people and I think people who work out are simply more attractive in almost every way unless they cross a line over into obsession, because not only does it improve your physical appearance but also your moods and energy which then positively affect your personality.

So yeah I do spend a lot each month on the gym, pilates, yoga and supplements. That's all changed my life, in fact. With the rest I try to navigate the middle road. I don't think anyone would look at me and immediately think, "Wow, spends a fortune on her appearance." Let's put it this way...as I get older, I have to work a little harder and spend a little more in order to stay naturally attractive, and I don't see anything wrong with that if I can afford it. I enjoy it and it's for ME, not men. Were I to make that the focus of my life, however, then I'd probably be very insecure.
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I fully agree with you, joyfulgirl. Like I said, if other people want to work on stuff like that, that's entirely up to them. And I see nothing wrong with what you're doing-staying fit and doing yoga and all that sort of thing is fine. I could probably do with that myself.

I just, like you said, don't understand those who can't seem to handle going anywhere until they've caked themselves in makeup or something. I hope I didn't seem like I was knocking people who put a little extra effort into their appearance, 'cause to each their own. Just the constant obsession some have with their appearance...it strikes me as weird.

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Who spends $1,700 monthly on their appearance?

Outside of celebrities who are in an industry where always looking impeccable is a must, I can't imagine anyone who does, unless they're wealthy, and possess a serious dose of narcissism.
I can tell you who'd be most likely to do that: many of the women who live in this area. Very wealthy, ritzy people here.

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Who spends $1,700 monthly on their appearance?

Outside of celebrities who are in an industry where always looking impeccable is a must, I can't imagine anyone who does, unless they're wealthy, and possess a serious dose of narcissism.
Sounds like a good portion of the women of Fairfield County, CT.
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[B I hope I didn't seem like I was knocking people who put a little extra effort into their appearance, 'cause to each their own. [/B]
I didn't take it that way at all. I was just remembering how I used to get away with falling out of bed, taking a quick shower and running out the door with my hair still half wet, and looking pretty decent. That doesn't work for me anymore. Sigh.

A friend of mine always wears way too much make-up. Just caked on and I always wondered if she had really bad skin underneath or something that she was trying to conceal. Then I saw her early one morning with no makeup at all on and she was really beautiful. Some women, regardless of their age, really don't need makeup. Others like me look better with a little color.
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Not all men are, of course, but there are an awful lot of guys out there who think they're God's Gift To Womankind. And you women had BETTER be beautiful for him, even if he looks like the love child of a pig and a gorilla, weighs 1200 pounds and smells like Hell's Sewer. 'Cause he is a MAN, by golly, and you wimmin better give him the beauty and lovin' he deserves!
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i'm sorry i haven't had time to respond to this thread. i was at the gym doing a spinning class and then swimming laps. i'll spin again on thursday as well. and drop $50 on a haircut next week and am even considering getting a pedi before i head somewhere warm for the xmas break.
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:30 AM   #28
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Im British and to be honest the majority of british girls are not easy on the eye.
Serious? I've really never noticed a great variance in attractive looking females or men from country to country, unless you have a very specific type...

...that said there are few of the chav persuasion that are ever attractive to look at...
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I didn't take it that way at all. I was just remembering how I used to get away with falling out of bed, taking a quick shower and running out the door with my hair still half wet, and looking pretty decent. That doesn't work for me anymore. Sigh.
Ah, good.

Awwwww, hey, don't be down on yourself like that. I think you'd look nice no matter what you do .

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A friend of mine always wears way too much make-up. Just caked on and I always wondered if she had really bad skin underneath or something that she was trying to conceal. Then I saw her early one morning with no makeup at all on and she was really beautiful. Some women, regardless of their age, really don't need makeup. Others like me look better with a little color.
I'd probably be one who could do with a bit of color-I'm so pale it's not even funny. I just can't stand makeup, though, I hate how it feels on my face, I'm always afraid I'll mess it up if I touch my face wrong, and I want it off not long after I've put it on.

But you're right. There's nothing wrong with light touches of makeup, it can bring out some of the best features of a person's face, but yeah, when it gets to where you start looking like you're applying to be a clown, or when you're stepping into Tammy Faye Bakker territory, might be time to tone it down a notch.

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Not all men are, of course, but there are an awful lot of guys out there who think they're God's Gift To Womankind.
Men like that bug the hell out of me. Ugh. That sort of attitude is such an automatic turnoff for me.

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Serious? I've really never noticed a great variance in attractive looking females or men from country to country, unless you have a very specific type...

...that said there are few of the chav persuasion that are ever attractive to look at...
British girls have a big problem with self grooming, they wear so much fake tan and hair extensions they end up looking like a tranny

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Who spends $1,700 monthly on their appearance?

Outside of celebrities who are in an industry where always looking impeccable is a must, I can't imagine anyone who does, unless they're wealthy, and possess a serious dose of narcissism.
Goodness, I know. I don't. Could never afford to, and even if I could. I can think of much better ways to use that expendable cash.

I work in an office and have to dress in business attire. I wear a little makeup, but not too much. I prefer a pretty and more natural look. And I like a clear gloss on my nails.
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Not all men are, of course, but there are an awful lot of guys out there who think they're God's Gift To Womankind. And you women had BETTER be beautiful for him, even if he looks like the love child of a pig and a gorilla, weighs 1200 pounds and smells like Hell's Sewer. 'Cause he is a MAN, by golly, and you wimmin better give him the beauty and lovin' he deserves!

Suddenly I feel the urge to shower. Really, really badly.

As for the rest of it - ack. You couldn't convince me to wear makeup with a gun to my head. Just shoot me - it's faster. If you don't like what I look like sans all that skin-killing crap, then move right along, kid. Not that I think I'm a stunner, or anything; I just happen to like my face without makeup. It's fine as it is. Reasonable self care is fine, but tell me why it's even necessary to cake your face? To tell you the truth, I really don't care to apply myself to the American 'standard of beauty'. It sucks boulders.
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Not all men are, of course, but there are an awful lot of guys out there who think they're God's Gift To Womankind. And you women had BETTER be beautiful for him, even if he looks like the love child of a pig and a gorilla, weighs 1200 pounds and smells like Hell's Sewer. 'Cause he is a MAN, by golly, and you wimmin better give him the beauty and lovin' he deserves!
That reminds me of this guy I work with. One day he and some of my other co-workers got into a conversation about how much money JK Rowling has made from the Harry Potter books and he made fun of her face and said he didn't understand why she didn't get plastic surgery if she has so much money. Like a woman in the public eye - even a writer whose appearance has absolutely nothing to do with what she does for a living - is obligated to meet his standards of what a woman should look like. BTW, this guy is overweight and balding. I wanted to say something, but I was so pissed I couldn't think of anything to say that would be appropriate in a workplace setting.
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That reminds me of this guy I work with. One day he and some of my other co-workers got into a conversation about how much money JK Rowling has made from the Harry Potter books and he made fun of her face and said he didn't understand why she didn't get plastic surgery if she has so much money.
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Wow. The lack of logic in that guy's comment is astounding.

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BTW, this guy is overweight and balding.
Of course.

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I wanted to say something, but I was so pissed I couldn't think of anything to say that would be appropriate in a workplace setting.
I don't blame you. The guy's an idiot.

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I don't blame you. The guy's an idiot.

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The strange thing is most of the time he's a nice, friendly, intelligent guy. Sure, he's prone to smart-ass comments, but most of them are amusing. It wouldn't have bugged me so much if he really were an idiot.
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That reminds me of this guy I work with. One day he and some of my other co-workers got into a conversation about how much money JK Rowling has made from the Harry Potter books and he made fun of her face and said he didn't understand why she didn't get plastic surgery if she has so much money. Like a woman in the public eye - even a writer whose appearance has absolutely nothing to do with what she does for a living - is obligated to meet his standards of what a woman should look like. BTW, this guy is overweight and balding. I wanted to say something, but I was so pissed I couldn't think of anything to say that would be appropriate in a workplace setting.
Wow. I think she's attractive.
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... you women had BETTER be beautiful for him, even if he looks like the love child of a pig and a gorilla, weighs 1200 pounds and smells like Hell's Sewer. 'Cause he is a MAN, by golly, and you wimmin better give him the beauty and lovin' he deserves!
Finally, a voice of reason. Thank you for saying what we're all thinking, Sue.
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JK Rowling is an incredibly successful woman. That's what some men do when they're threatened by a woman like her, they attack her appearance. And like you said Bono's shades, it's as if she has to meet his standard. Maybe he should just worry about his own appearance There are women who are like that too.
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One thing I've noticed when watching television is, on US shows, females who are supposed to portray ordinary, typical people are generally gorgeous and flawless, with a few exceptions, of course. On BBC shows, many female characters are shown as being more real - not overly done-up, not glamourized, they're flawed, just as most of us are. I really appreciate seeing that, and I think it lends to a much greater degree of realism. I can't help but wonder if that reflects the values of each respective society.
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Finally, a voice of reason. Thank you for saying what we're all thinking, Sue.
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