80sU2isBest said:
YOU come off it, Irvine. Am I supposed to somehow read your mind to determine that abortion does actually matter to you, when nothing you have written to me previously would lead me to that conclusion? Have you never heard of precedent?
I've never shrieked "baby killer".
And while I've never been a 14 year old pregnant girl, I have been the 22 year old unemployed father of a baby that died when he was 8 hours old, so I'm not exactly clueless on the whole "crisis pregnancy" issue.
i have heard of reading closely. that's something you should try to do -- though i understand that nuance is often lost on people with such extreme views on this particular issue.
and just read your posts -- you are very, very shrill on this subject.
i also don't see what your very unfortunate situation has to do with abortion. i am very sorry for your loss, but i don't see how it applies to this particular situation.
i am also getting frustrated that, no matter to what ends i go to further explicate my thoughts, they get continually cast into the most convenient light for you or others who disagree with me. this happens frequently in gay issue debates, and i've gotten to the point where i'm tagging so many adjectives onto my posts that it's getting silly.
abortion, in my opinion, is an issue that shrinks in importance when compared to all of the issues i listed in my earlier post.
abortion also does not affect me directly, so i would find it arrogant of me to have such a strong opinion (in fact, i find it arrogant that any man would vote simply on the basis of that issue as it centers around a woman's ability to determine what is and what is not inside her uterus).
i've explicated my own opinion on the subject so many times -- i don't feel as if science can definitively say whether or not fetal life is equivalent to a breathing baby, so i leave the decision in the hands of the woman and she will deal with the consequences ... i believe that women are smart enough to be able to make their own decisions. i also think that the only way for women to empower themselves economically -- which is the key to getting out of poverty -- is for them to remain in control of when they get pregnant. so, i remain vehemently opposed to the outlawing of abortion, however i do not feel qualified to pass a moral judgement on the issue. i simply don't know, so i leave that up to the individual.
hence, it's simply not that important to me. i am much more concerned about the state of our education system and the pending ascention of China than about abortion. i understand that these issues are less emotional than abortion, and provide much less of an opportunity to feel that intoxicating rush of self-righteousness, but it's more important.
much more.
and while the religous working classes vote solely on pro-life/anti-choice positions, the Republicans of Rancho Santa Fe and Greenwich, CT take your votes and translate them into tax cuts for the rich and decreased funding for schools and social services for the working classes.
politically brilliant, don't you think?
abortion is still legal, and will likely remain so, but the rich are getting richer and richer and richer ... again, off the backs of the lower classes.
What I SAID was, "everyone would RATHER that abortions NEVER HAD TO HAPPEN." But maybe, in some cases, the life and health of the mother are best served by not carrying a pregnancy to term. I worry very much about young girls--and even grown women--who could be abused, disowned, or abandoned by their mates or families if they carried a pregnancy to term. I worry about women who've been raped or are the victims of incest. I even worry about women who've become pregnant accidentally and simply can't face a pregnancy under the economic or environmental circumstances.
Just for the record... what are you? Politically speaking. Having read a lot of what you written, I'd like to know what you consider yourself....
