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Bono’s Deaf on Africa
I've returned to post the following article from NRO, an article that criticizes Bono's call for increased aid to Africa, an idea that Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill is not entirely sold on.
__________________(I must be fair to Bono: as the first article above recounts, he is apparently against domestic farm subsidies and tarriffs between nations. However, it seems his complaint about farm subsidies is that they are domestic, not that they are bad ideas to begin with; his solution may be - and probably is - far different than the solution that fiscal conservatives would back, despite the fact that both may recognize that domestic farm subsidies are problematic. Further, his complaint about tarriffs may have nothing to do with capitalism: he is calling for "not free trade, but fair trade," and that quote speaks volumes about the man.) Recently, Rush Limbaugh's comments have caused quite a stir at several U2 fansites, and justifiably so. I agree that many of his comments were out of line. He should not have assumed that Bono doesn't know what he's talking about simply because he's a rock star. (It may still be the case that Bono doesn't know what he's talking about. We should all easily grant that he's done his homework on this and studied the issue in depth. But quite a few policymakers have Ph.D's in economics and have vastly different solutions. They cannot all be right, so some of them must also be misguided. In other words, we should take Bono seriously, but doing so still allows us to disagree with him strongly. In fact, I believe Bono entering the political arena gives commentators more of a right to scrutinize what he says.) (It's also worth noting that people continue to criticize President Reagan and NRA President Charlton Heston for once being movies stars. The door does swing both ways.) Rush also shouldn't have made the more personal comments about Bono. I don't believe this point has made its way to the forum, but Rush justified his comments as being "tit-for-tat" responses to unspecified comments Bono has made about Presidents Reagan and Bush (41), comments made while accepting American awards and money from American consumers. I can see his point here - I have a similar complaint about Rage Against the Machine constantly berating the United States and capitalism in general (Evil Empire, etc.) while reaping millions of dollars earned via capitalism and safe-guarded by the U.S. Government's laws protecting property rights. That said, Bono's criticized individuals and not the system itself, as far as I know. Rush's comments were so inflammatory that the comments themselves overshadowed legitimate complaints about what Bono is supporting. And, ultimately, two wrong's do not make a right. Rush's personal comments went too far, I think. But the complaints about the policy are legitimate; hence, this article, presenting a conservative response without the personal attacks - and proof, perhaps, that maybe we conservatives have a point. (I believe the author may be right in his analyis, in that it is in accord with the idea of unintended consequences in economic policies. At any case, it's a perspective that has not found much of a home in this forum - as far as I can tell - so I believe it is certainly worth reading.) Unfortunately, I'm not sure whether the author pronounces Mr. Hewson's stage name as "Bah-no" or "Boe-no." I apologize for being unable to find such crucial information. From National Review Online : Quote:
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Not all of “we conservatives” believe that trade without aid is the answer. It all sounds very pretty to have African countries open their markets, lower their tariffs and become free-market economies, but the truth of the matter is many of the countries that have taken our advice and tried this have found that “free trade” is a misnomer. The U.S. is able to import plenty of goods to African countries (cheap textiles come to mind) and still has tariffs that prevent many of these countries from importing to us. Hypocrisy at its finest. So what happens when you open a market, flood it with goods which eliminates the few products these countries actually manufacture, thus eliminating jobs and continuing the cycle of poverty? How is that a good thing?
__________________From a moral standpoint, I cannot justify standing by while millions of people suffer and die without at least trying to do something. No, aid by itself is not the answer. Trade along with aid until countries are able to function on their own IS something that seems to me to be a more balanced approach. And if you pay attention, that’s pretty much what Bono has been advocating. If we want to use the trade argument to get us out of helping with aid, then for goodness sake, let's at least make the trade fair. Otherwise, it's all just semantics, isn't it? Quote:
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Hmmm.
Two great articles. Still working on getting on Mr RushMouth's show.. ![]() ..to set him right, and then pose a challenge for him or two. ![]() Wish me luck. diamond ![]() |
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The fact is that domestic subsidies and import tariffs prevent Africans from selling much of their agricultural output in Europe, North America, and Japan. These nations, it seems, would rather tax their citizens and force them to pay higher prices for food than allow poor farmers in Africa to sell their produce in their countries. But that entire paragraph was introduced with what I believe is the obvious solution: "If Western governments really wanted to do something to help Africa, the easiest thing they could do is open their markets to African products." I don't see how the problem of one-way trade barriers is solved by trade with aid. Quote:
Once the prospect of long-term relief is established, it sets in motion forces that virtually guarantee its necessity. For example, food aid to help countries through a temporary famine often drives farmers out of business. How can they sell their produce when wealthy western countries, often overflowing with subsidy-driven agricultural surpluses, are giving it away for free? Partly for this reason, most nations of Africa have become dependent on food imports, even though they were food exporters not too many years ago. In my opinion, aid may still be necessary (on a temporary basis), but we will have to be careful to avoid the pitfalls of disincentive. One possible solution would be to provide food, farm equipment, and training during a growing season in the hopes that the recepients will have the opportunity to grow their own food - all under the knowledge that our aid will sustain them only until harvest time. I admit two obvious problems with that solution: nobody's proposing it, and I doubt many African governments would agree to such intrusive aid - aid that is far more difficult to subvert to their own beareaucratic purposes. Quote:
What worries me is that Bono doesn't seem to agree: ""African countries need to be allowed to trade fairly. Not free trade, but fair trade." Any idea what Bono means there? As I final note, I find Krugman's comparison of the estate tax to foreign aid to be a bit odd: they're simply not the same thing. The tax repeal lowers the amount of money that the government receives (its revenues); foreign aid decreases the amount it already has... ...all of which leads to a more striking difference: a tax cut is not welfare. (Put any other name on it, but aid is welfare.) The difference between a man getting a tax cut and a second man receiving aid is this: the first man is keeping his own money, and the second man is getting somebody else's money. (If the second man were to directly take money from somebody else, we would rightfully call the act "theft." If the government does the job for him, is there honestly any substantial difference?) That's not to say aid is inherently wrong in all cases. But it is worth recognizing it for what it is: taking money from one person and giving it to another. When you do that, I believe you should make sure that it's accomplishing its supposed goals (eliminating poverty being the primary goal), and I don't think welfare here and aid abroad have been all that successful. |
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but I feel that it only seems fair that as long as we are the ones not willing to open our markets then at least we should try to help by trade with aid
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The fairest case would be this: the U.S. generates $X billion in revenues through tarriffs against Africa and sends the same amount right back to them. It seems like that would be the same thing as having no tariffs at all, BUT you have two completely unnecessary disincentives to production: tarriffs here , and aid to there. So, the African economies (and our own) suffer further because of the second disincentive of foreign aid, regardless of how fair it may be. Beyond that, if free trade is the ultimate goal, it's a step entirely in the wrong direction. If the New Deal programs - many of which were designed for JUST the Great Depression but are still in existence today - are any indication, it's very difficult to undo new government policies. |
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