Bono gets in shouting match at TED conference

[BVS]

You know one of my friend got blocked out everytime we went to the casino restaurant, she's 27 though, and currently waiting for her first baby.

I'm almost certain that the security guys would still request ID of this "teen-age-mom" in the next few years.

Just say NO.

 

[BVS]

Maybe English isn't your first language and we're having a sort of language barrier, but I'm having a hard time understanding your point.

The key word is natural-outcome. Edun in a position that they will have to employ local people,

HAVE TO employ local people? Why would they have to? Local to where?

any company will do that,

False!

and it could not be use as a criteria to evaluate the change to the business ethics.

What?

 

[butter7]

Maybe English isn't your first language and we're having a sort of language barrier, but I'm having a hard time understanding your point.

HAVE TO employ local people? Why would they have to? Local to where?

Foreigners.

False!

Explain.

What?

Someone certainly have no clear idea how wide business ethics could cover when stretched.

 

[butter7]

Before you post, I strongly suggest you to read several business cases in commecial/academic/business report format with analysis. Hopefully you would be able to have a better understanding of the simple logics we been debating for 2 days.

 

[BVS]

Before you post, I strongly suggest you to read several business cases in commecial/academic/business report format with analysis. Hopefully you would be able to have a better understanding of the simple logics we been debating for 2 days.

Um, I've been out in the business world for years and have taken several classes. Your ability to communicate your point is weak and that's why, and I'm not the only one, confused as to what you are saying.

 

[BVS]

Foreigners.

Ok

Explain.

You said any company would hire local people. That's just false, companies hire people outside the country and outsource all the time, so I really don't get what you are trying to say.

Someone certainly have no clear idea how wide business ethics could cover when stretched.

Um, no just your sentence structure doesn't make sense. That whole sentence didn't make sense.

So I'll ask again:

HAVE TO employ local people? Why would they have to? Local to where?

 

[ylimeU2]

Before you post, I strongly suggest you to read several business cases in commecial/academic/business report format with analysis. Hopefully you would be able to have a better understanding of the simple logics we been debating for 2 days.

I have done that and I can't understand what you are going on about either.

 

[butter7]

Um, I've been out in the business world for years and have taken several classes. Your ability to communicate your point is weak and that's why, and I'm not the only one, confused as to what you are saying.

So you still haven't saw any case of a FDI company operating with all foreign employees directly from the mother country?

Or you just don't understand what business ethics could cover?

If you did familiar with the FDI cases, then you'll see the simple fact is there's no existing success story for investment type like Edun, and wouldn't argue with me based on "sweatshops, designing", superfacial stuff like that.

 

[BVS]

"sweatshops, designing", superfacial stuff like that.

Superficial? Sweatshops are just superficial stuff? That has to be one of the most ridiculous thing you've said.

But it starts to make the rest of your posts make sense.

 

[butter7]

I have done that and I can't understand what you are going on about either.

There's no successful existing business case like Edun, based on my research.

When the big trend for other companies are the globalization and the potential benefit of cutting cost, enlarge market by invest in a developing countries, I highly doubt Edun model, which put business ethics the same high level as revenue, would be any attractive to profit-driven business.

That is the main point I've been argue. Unfortunately, it's been interpreted as a statement of Edun is a failure. And I was under attack ever since then.

 

[redhotswami]

There's no successful existing business case like Edun, based on my research.

All these pages and you all are missing a MAJOR point here. I think that the real reason why Edun isn't doing too hot is that the clothes aren't designed for women with boobs. Thus I'm limited to their tshirts. I can't buy them if I can't fit them

 

[ylimeU2]

So you still haven't saw any case of a FDI company operating with all foreign employees directly from the mother country?

Or you just don't understand what business ethics could cover?

If you did familiar with the FDI cases, then you'll see the simple fact is there's no existing success story for investment type like Edun, and wouldn't argue with me based on "sweatshops, designing", superfacial stuff like that.

Are you saying that FDI doesn't do anything at all? Or that just because there is no history of FDI success in Africa, therefore, it can't possibly be accomplished? If so, did it occur to you that no one has really attempted to invest in Africa?

 

[butter7]

Superficial? Sweatshops are just superficial stuff? That has to be one of the most ridiculous thing you've said.

But it starts to make the rest of your posts make sense.

You've been debating using sweatshop free as a uniqueness of Edun, which is totally wrong. And that, misleading you from understanding the nature of a business model.

Not all clothing are manufactured in sweatshops, and the company still could make good business value. This does not need to be revalidated for a business model.

What really important, as for a business model, is that it must provide a new way of doing things, which is different from the existing case.

Do you really understand the topic we are discussing?

 

[ylimeU2]

There's no successful existing business case like Edun, based on my research.

When the big trend for other companies are the globalization and the potential benefit of cutting cost, enlarge market by invest in a developing countries, I highly doubt Edun model, which put business ethics the same high level as revenue, would be any attractive to profit-driven business.

That is the main point I've been argue. Unfortunately, it's been interpreted as a statement of Edun is a failure. And I was under attack ever since then.

Okay, I think I get what you are saying now. Because EDUN is not a profit driven sweatshop, while worthy in your opinion, will do no good at all, simply because you haven't read a case on it.

 

[ylimeU2]

All these pages and you all are missing a MAJOR point here. I think that the real reason why Edun isn't doing too hot is that the clothes aren't designed for women with boobs. Thus I'm limited to their tshirts. I can't buy them if I can't fit them

 

[BVS]

There's no successful existing business case like Edun, based on my research.

When the big trend for other companies are the globalization and the potential benefit of cutting cost, enlarge market by invest in a developing countries, I highly doubt Edun model, which put business ethics the same high level as revenue, would be any attractive to profit-driven business.

It took you a long time to actually make your point clear.

Yes, Edun is(or at least one of )the first of it's kind. Therefore finding a successful existing business would be impossible.

Sure the company could outsource to sweatshops and make a bigger profit, but then it would lose it's whole intention. The model does put ethics the same high level as revenue and that's what makes it unique and brave.

Will it be succesful profit wise? Will anyone else follow? Only time will tell.

 

[butter7]

All these pages and you all are missing a MAJOR point here. I think that the real reason why Edun isn't doing too hot is that the clothes aren't designed for women with boobs. Thus I'm limited to their tshirts. I can't buy them if I can't fit them

I could never fit in their jeans either, seriously.

 

[JCOSTER]

All these pages and you all are missing a MAJOR point here. I think that the real reason why Edun isn't doing too hot is that the clothes aren't designed for women with boobs. Thus I'm limited to their tshirts. I can't buy them if I can't fit them

Oh how you speak such truth!!!
I do however have 2 prs. of Eduns that are the biggest size you can buy.

 

[BVS]

Not all clothing are manufactured in sweatshops, and the company still could make good business value. This does not need to be revalidated for a business model.

You really need to do some research. No not all clothing is being manufactured in sweatshops, but the majority is being manufactured in less than ethical ways.

Do you really understand the topic we are discussing?

Do you? You just called sweatshops superficial.

 

[butter7]

Okay, I think I get what you are saying now. Because EDUN is not a profit driven sweatshop, while worthy in your opinion, will do no good at all, simply because you haven't read a case on it.

*sigh*

 

[JCOSTER]

Edun is in a factory non-sweatshop atomosphere, I wouldn't considerate a sweatshop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFXE1G1t4ww
maybe this will help.

 

[butter7]

You really need to do some research. No not all clothing is being manufactured in sweatshops, but the majority is being manufactured in less than ethical ways.

Do you? You just called sweatshops superficial.

I mentioned that I'm not sure you truely understand the scale of business ethics. Because it's ethics, so there is no universal standard to evaluate what these company did.

IMHO, forcing women cover their face and body behind veils are unethical, however, people have Islamic background might have a different opinion on this. It's tricky to define what is ethical and what is unethical sometimes.

Since it's an existing fact that company can make money in a sweatshop free condition, we do not need to re-validate this factor on Edun model. So purely for this discussion, "sweatshop", the word, is superfacial, because discussion based on that leads you nowhere near the key point: How much chance the Edun model would success.

 

[butter7]

Oh how you speak such truth!!!
I do however have 2 prs. of Eduns that are the biggest size you can buy.

You know I thought about buying a ONE tshirt as a b-day gift to one of my friend, and the problem I've got is the smallest size are too big. May be I should ask her to gain more weight.

 

[BVS]

Since it's an existing fact that company can make money in a sweatshop free condition, we do not need to re-validate this factor on Edun model.

Once again, do some research and take a look at how, where, and the conditions that the majority of clothing is manufactured in the fashion industry.

So purely for this discussion, "sweatshop", the word, is superfacial, because discussion based on that leads you nowhere near the key point: How much chance the Edun model would success.

Sweatshop may be an overused word, for not all clothing is manufactured in a basement full of kids working 10 hour day. But still you'd be shocked as to what is occuring out there. Edun develops these factories and works on a micro-level to employ, teach, etc people who would for the most part not have a fair chance at earning money.

Like I said, time will tell...

 

[butter7]

Just true experience by me:

I worked for a two dollar shop for $8/h, 10h per Day, and the average pay for this kind of position is about $15.

I won't call it sweatshop, because I walked in, I knew it, no one put a gun behind my head force me to do the job.

Don't know if you going to call it ethical or unethical...

 

[Liesje]

The key word is natural-outcome. Edun in a position that they will have to employ local people, any company will do that, and it could not be use as a criteria to evaluate the change to the business ethics.

Huh? OK I have a degree in business and your posts are really not making any sense. What does this have to do with what I quoted? Of course EDUN hires local people! That's the POINT of their business!! Making money by hiring local people and actually paying them a FAIR wage.

 

[Liesje]

I worked for a two dollar shop for $8/h, 10h per Day, and the average pay for this kind of position is about $15.

Maybe I'm not reading this correctly, but where I live $8/hr is not bad! It's above minimum wage and you're lucky to get any wage in the Michigan economy at the moment.

 

[BVS]

Just true experience by me:

I worked for a two dollar shop for $8/h, 10h per Day, and the average pay for this kind of position is about $15.

I won't call it sweatshop, because I walked in, I knew it, no one put a gun behind my head force me to do the job.

Don't know if you going to call it ethical or unethical...

I'm also guessing you don't live in a developing country, and you have a choice.

 

[butter7]

Hi, Liesje,

Edun business and Edun Business model are two different things, we are discussing the model here.

To BonoVoxSupastar:

I'm going to one in the next 3-4 monthes.

By the time I took that job, I didn't have a choice. I urgenly need about $700 cash, and that shop was the only one who agreed to accept me and immediate start. Before that, I did work for them about 7 hours for free already...

 

[BVS]

By the time I took that job, I didn't have a choice. I urgenly need about $700 cash, and that shop was the only one who agreed to accept me and immediate start. Before that, I did work for them about 7 hours for free already...

That sucks, sorry to hear that...