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Old 08-04-2007, 12:28 AM   #21
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[B]why is everyone so upset?

what ever happened to free speech?
I detect sarcasm, one question, what is the point being made by the sarcasm?

If no sarcasm, are you aware of the delicious irony?
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Old 08-04-2007, 12:43 AM   #23
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Tancredo's statement is insane and does not reflect the GOP. No other candidate believes we should bomb Mecca, so dont clump all the candidates with this position.
No, it doesn't reflect the GOP, but many(more than anyone would acknowledge) secretly hold this type of feeling.

I've heard many say we should just turn the Middle East into glass... and guess who all of them voted for
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Old 08-04-2007, 01:12 AM   #24
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No, it doesn't reflect the GOP, but many(more than anyone would acknowledge) secretly hold this type of feeling.

I've heard many say we should just turn the Middle East into glass... and guess who all of them voted for
How many people secretly hold the position that we should have taken no military action after 9/11? Or even before for that matter? And who are they voting for?

The GOP doesn't endorse this drivel anymore than the Dems endorse a pacifist lunatic fringe. We should all be fair here.

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How many people secretly hold the position that we should have taken no military action after 9/11? Or even before for that matter? And who are they voting for?

The GOP doesn't endorse this drivel anymore than the Dems endorse a pacifist lunatic fringe. We should all be fair here.

Well you missed my point...

and

How is that the same?
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Well you missed my point...

and

How is that the same?
What point did I miss exactly?

This would have been a perfect opportunity to say "you missed my point, my point was this....."

You're saying it doesn't reflect the GOP but (paraphrased) "there are people who support it and they all vote GOP"

You're taking the apologetic view that this lunacy represents the GOP, otherwise what sense does it make to draw any distinction whatsoever?

I'm saying you could easily paint it the opposite way. That's all.

We are talking about how individuals who are linked to parties Tancredo/GOP on some fringe issues don't represent the masses of said party, I tried to illustrate one view of how the Dems could be painted against themselves so to speak, as in Pacifist/Dems.
I'm saying it doesn't add up.

What point am I missing? (asking in all honesty)
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What point did I miss exactly?

This would have been a perfect opportunity to say "you missed my point, my point was this....."

You're saying it doesn't reflect the GOP but (paraphrased) "there are people who support it and they all vote GOP"

You're taking the apologetic view that this lunacy represents the GOP, otherwise what sense does it make to draw any distinction whatsoever?

I'm saying you could easily paint it the opposite way. That's all.

We are talking about how individuals who are linked to parties Tancredo/GOP on some fringe issues don't represent the masses of said party, I tried to illustrate one view of how the Dems could be painted against themselves so to speak, as in Pacifist/Dems.
I'm saying it doesn't add up.

What point am I missing? (asking in all honesty)
The point you are missing is that the secret feeling of many GOP would be destroying lives...

Your theory of pacificts is one that no one can predict how many lives would be lost if we never did anything...
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The point you are missing is that the secret feeling of many GOP would be destroying lives...

Your theory of pacificts is one that no one can predict how many lives would be lost if we never did anything...
So we protect all lives at all costs.
Sounds like a great idea.

We can't quantify what would be a greater number.
An ouright aggressor Tancredo bomb over Tehran or an outright pacifist stance that led to an Al Qaeda bomb in a major U.S city.

These aren't pressing issues though.

I don't think either party entertains anything near those extremes, which was my point.
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What we can and should say is that either of these stances is far from any type of mainstream opinion and not a serious issue.
Of course it is...

But one is a violent genocide of an idea... and the other isn't.

Yet both are voting. Let's just hope that the fuckers are less...
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Of course it is...

But one is a violent genocide of an idea... and the other isn't.

Yet both are voting. Let's just hope that the fuckers are less...
Fair enough.

It's just I detest a pacifist stance as much as the Bush bullshit.

I don't think our answers are there, thaks for the discussion tonight.
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It would certainly be a disincentive from killing their way to the next life. It definitely should be covered by free speech. It won't happen.
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I've only seen him on Australian TV once. Heard plenty from the American media online though. I can't believe this guy is a federal politician.

I was going to say that he'd get laughed out of the country if he ran in Australia, but then I remembered that this is the country that elected Pauline Hanson to a seat in federal parliament.
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Yes....that was/is frightening......Hitler in a skirt!
I take comfort from the fact she would never get elected in Melbourne.

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I love that 6 years down the track polititions are trotting out the 'WHEN WE GET ATTACKED AGAIN! OMGZZZ ITS IMMINIANT!!!'

wow lets keeep all the dumb hicks scared clutching their rifles and pointing them at every turban person who puts his bag on the ground for more then 5 seconds.

I hate this seemingly love of keeping everyone terrified, its so egocentric, like WOAH america is still a vitcim. Its like, sorry you gave up being victims a loooooooooooooooooong time ago. You're the terrorists now! How many innocent people out there are scared shitless by the next thing the us admin will pull out of its arse and do. IE just what this tool said they'd do
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I saw him on one of the Republican debates, he scared me. I don't think anyone takes him seriously, other than like minded citizens wherever they may exist-in some pockets somewhere I suppose. To take what this guy says and extrapolate to it somehow representing some widely held views of Americans is really stretching it.
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I saw him on one of the Republican debates, he scared me. I don't think anyone takes him seriously, other than like minded citizens wherever they may exist-in some pockets somewhere I suppose.
Let's not forget this guy is actually a US Congressman so he's been repeatedly ELECTED. I can only imagine in horror what his district is like.
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Yeah I have to wonder about that. Maybe it's the elevation in Colorado and some effect upon the brain
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The nutcases need to be represented too. Seriously, he's more than a little frightening. Just keep him on the fringe.
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