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Old 12-09-2002, 02:00 PM   #21
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Forgive yes.

Forget no...that wold make us foolish, if the perpertrator doesnt curtail his addictions..

case in point-

Gennifer Flowers
Paula Jones
Kathleen Wiley
Monica..

nameless others..

Winston wouldnt perjured himself..nor write an article on the virtues of...fidelity towards your spouse, now would he?

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Old 12-09-2002, 02:06 PM   #22
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"Winston wouldnt perjured himself.."

I guess we'll never know. But it still does not answer my question, does his alcoholism deprive him of his credibility?

I suppose your next point will be that its one thing to make a mistake, another to lie about it, however - would it have made any difference in the eyes of the general public, or yours for that matter? I think not, the fact that he lied (allegedly, the entire ordeal, I think, was a tad bit shady, and I fail to see how anyone could jeopardise their own presidency over such an unattractive woman) about his mistake was mere gravy.

No, Winston Churchill did not lie about his alcoholism, but then again it was never brought up, the British public never made a big deal about it, and I fail to see why the media made such a big deal out of Clinton.

And although he never wrote articles about HIV while being unfaithful to his wife, he did write authoratitive articles about Workers and their rights, as represented by their Unions. This was a tad incredible, as Churchill was extemely hostile towards workers, particularly miners, and their rights. He was politically hostile against the suffragettes, and yet wrote in his later life how he thought women should in fact get the vote. He was a raving alcoholic, and yet wrote about the 'pillars of virtue'. Oh, he was a fine pillar of strength during the war, but the Prime Minister was a complete horror when it came to domestic policy. Still, politics is another question entirely - he still contradicted himself and his values.

Does it deny him of credibility?


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Lets end this silly little dance..
Please

Did GW deny his alcolholic addiction, when it was brought up by th media 3 days before the general election?
A.)-No.

let me some it up this way-
Bill C. has about as much credibility lecturing on a STD- such as(AIDS)..
as..
GW would have on being a "proficient speech therapist"..

Hope this makes sense..

This dance is officially now over..

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And you wonder why politicians are influenced by campaign contributions. Excellence in leadership starts on a personal level.
And the "personal level" is all the Republican Party appears to care about. Sure, your politicians may make the appearance of being perfect Protestant heterosexuals with their trophy wife and 2.5 children, but when it comes down to some of the crap they pull in office, where is the outrage? That's right...it doesn't exist! Campaign contributions should be something of outrage, but where is the press coverage? That's right...it doesn't exist!

There is seriously something wrong with this country if we cannot tell the difference between a consensual extramarital affair and getting bribed by special interests! Let me give you a hint: the latter is illegal, while the former is not.

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This dance is officially now over..
Thank you, Reverend Diamond.

Republicans are just better liars than Democrats.

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i choose only to dance w myself..
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Mr Bono if so requested

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"let me some it up this way-
Bill C. has about as much credibility lecturing on a STD- such as(AIDS)..
as..
GW would have on being a "proficient speech therapist"."

Well, no, I still don't buy it. Its not as if Bill Clinton was ever found to actually get a STD. Who knows? He may have used protection during his wretched activities. Fidelity, and the virtues derived of such are entirely different things. And of course, my question concerning Churchill goes unanswered.

I've been wanting to end this silly dance since it began, but I was so inspired by your enthusiasm, I asked myself 'why not?'.

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Bush would resign first if he was caught harrassing subordinates and getting hummers in the Oval Office, sparing our country the embarrassment. Its a character issue.

Well i can see melon is doing a great job putting you in your place but i thought thisd quote was funny. You obviuosly never got a hummer. You cant really drive a vehicle around the oval office. Only maybe if you had one of those little kiddie jeeps, but i think Monica is a bit to heavy.\

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Hope u understand the point.
Great article.
Wrong author.
That's just absurd.

Had a different author written it, it would have been a different (and possibly not great) article.

Do you think a starving HIV+ orphan in Africa gives two shits about Monica Lewinsky? Hell no. But he does care about, oh, I don't know, people like Clinton writing letters supporting his desire to live another day.
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Be quiet all of you..
The world already knoooows I won this dance on style points alone..

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Well ofcourse they do, because you've told them so.

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one mistake?:


No matter what Republicans do I dont ever think it will be enough for some.
We will always be labeled as selfish bastards because our methods of addressing problems are not the same as Democrats, long story short..

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And substance? What is the "Republican" method of addressing AIDS in poor countries? What are Republicans offering besides the usual call for personal responsibility? The situation is a little beyond that, unfortunately.

This shouldn't be a partisan issue. We need to take all the ideas we can get. If O'Neil thinks it's building wells, great, let's do that. If Bono says it's debt relief and free trade, yes. If Clinton says it's treatment, that too.
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And substance? What is the "Republican" method of addressing AIDS in poor countries? What are Republicans offering besides the usual call for personal responsibility? The situation is a little beyond that, unfortunately.

This shouldn't be a partisan issue. We need to take all the ideas we can get. If O'Neil thinks it's building wells, great, let's do that. If Bono says it's debt relief and free trade, yes. If Clinton says it's treatment, that too.

I have to say I completely agree with this.

The republican party has been VERy dissapointing on this issue. And Bush's tacit dismissal of O neil shows his unwillingness to deal with this in any constructive way.




The biggest turn off towards republican admnistrations to me is there complete idiocy on foreign policy. Last thing I need are a bunch of rednecks the likes trent lott, strom thurman, and jesse helms representing me to the rest of the world. You can say what you want about clinton...but he had agood feel for the world scene and the perception of america around the world.
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yes.
Yes.
Clinton was an astute poll reader..crafting each policy after reading each poll that was taken..

Now if he woulda wrote an article on "how to lead a country based on polls"...many would be sold..

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The republican party has been VERy dissapointing on this issue. And Bush's tacit dismissal of O neil shows his unwillingness to deal with this in any constructive way.



Well Arun, you better get with Bono because he said even upon hearing of O Niell's dismisal that he thought this adminstration was STILL very committed to DATA/AIDS relief..
Perhaps you can tell Bono on what to think and say?

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps if our economy was even sounder that we could donate even more money to this cause, surpassing the record amount Pres. Bush already donated, which would be a "constructive" move..?

The 3 old bastards you mentioned dont represent the Republican Party as a whole.
You know it, I know it.
That was a cheap shot.

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Well Arun, you better get with Bono because he said even upon hearing of O Niell's dismisal that he thought this adminstration was STILL very committed to DATA/AIDS relief..
Perhaps you can tell Bono on what to think and say?


Look we are all here because we love U2.

But really Bono would say anything to get money for AIDS. Do you think he is gonna say: "Well the admin is giving up on AIDS and Bush isnt gonna gove us the money"

AH NOOOOOOO!!!!
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Look we are all here because we love U2.

But really Bono would say anything to get money for AIDS. Do you think he is gonna say: "Well the admin is giving up on AIDS and Bush isnt gonna gove us the money"

AH NOOOOOOO!!!!
Well Im not saying Bono loves Bush.

I will say that Bono sincerely likes Bush and respects him.

Bono continues to say favorable things in the press about Bush, not simple, generic statements either.
Things like-
" I know Pres Bush genuinely cares about AIDS/Africa relief."
and
" Pres Bush is going to Africa in January because he sincerely cares on what the world's view is of the USA"..

You see if Bono were paying lip service his responses would be more generic w less detail..

Now Edge clearly does NOT like GW.

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Well Im not saying Bono loves Bush.

I will say that Bono sincerely likes Bush and respects him.

Bono continues to say favorable things in the press about Bush, not simple, generic statements either.
Things like-
" I know Pres Bush genuinely cares about AIDS/Africa relief."
and
" Pres Bush is going to Africa in January because he sincerely cares on what the world's view is of the USA"..

You see if Bono were paying lip service his responses would be more generic w less detail..

Now Edge clearly does NOT like GW.

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Bush is going to africa because he needs to doa few things...most notably get more oil out of nigeria.

if bush sincerely cared about the world view of teh USA..he'd try to get the peace process int eh mid east on track...would have already made averbal commitment to teh american people to fight aids ....and.......exiled annna nicole smith.
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Well Arun, you better get with Bono because he said even upon hearing of O Niell's dismisal that he thought this adminstration was STILL very committed to DATA/AIDS relief..
Perhaps you can tell Bono on what to think and say?

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps if our economy was even sounder that we could donate even more money to this cause, surpassing the record amount Pres. Bush already donated, which would be a "constructive" move..?

The 3 old bastards you mentioned dont represent the Republican Party as a whole.
You know it, I know it.
That was a cheap shot.

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Diamond teh soundness of teh economy isn't an issue in terms of aids in africa. We already give 15 billion dollars in military aid to israel and god knows how much to the saudis.

what I'm saying is..the money is there if we spend a little smarter. even if the economy is bad


Bonoman is right....bono needs to be a politician if he wants to get what he wants out of bush. Notice that the administration has SAID NOTHING about remaining commited to aids relief despite the departure of o neil.


As for a cheap Shot???


you tell me trent lott doesn't represent the republican party as a whole???


isn't that implied by the term MAJORITY LEADER???
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what I'm saying is..the money is there if we spend a little smarter. even if the economy is bad


Bonoman is right....bono needs to be a politician if he wants to get what he wants out of bush. Notice that the administration has SAID NOTHING about remaining commited to aids relief despite the departure of o neil.


As for a cheap Shot???


you tell me trent lott doesn't represent the republican party as a whole???


isn't that implied by the term MAJORITY LEADER???
decent point, but when the economy is good America historically has been more generous.
Not necessarily right, but a fact regardless who is President.

You told me you havnt seen the CSPAN interviews that I have re Bono saying nice sincere things about Bush.
Until then plez refrain from claiming to know of Bono's true feelings of Bush's. Cuz u dont.

GW will be visiting Africa this Jan keeping his promise he made earlier, Bono said.
The difference between this administration and the last is-
-one says, toots his horn, then does what he says he was going to do..
-the other just does.
Bush doesnt toot his horn like Clinton.

Trent owns a title only..He is only a figurehead.
For how much longer, his days seemed numbered..
Bush condemned him yesterday.
Yes, it was a cheap shot.
You know it, I know it.

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