Behind the Navel

Achtung_Bebe · 07-24-2001, 04:44 PM

At a youth gathering in my church, there was a guest speaker who spoke about such things as modesty. He went on and on about the exposure of the female navel. To him it was the window into the sacred womb, and must be veiled as the Holy Eucharist is veiled. This seemed rather extreme to me. He even brought up the latest Levi's commercial, with the singing navels, and how this upset him. I couldn't comprehend this really, perhaps because I confess to wearing the occasional halter top and owning a few pairs of 2-piece swimming suits. I decided to interrupt him with the the point that perhaps it is fit to display the navel, as a sacred statue might be. This had him stumped

Anyway, I appreciated his respect for the life giving womb, however I don't see myself throwing out the halters anytime soon. Does anyone else hold this extreme belief? What are your thoughts?

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"If I am close to the music, and you are close to the music, we are close to each other." -Bono

frogbat · 07-24-2001, 04:47 PM

i hold the extreme opposite view

Miss MacPhisto · 07-24-2001, 04:51 PM

Thats nice that you love to flaunt it Froggie, but we are getting just a little tired of seeing your navel...isnt it time to cover it up??? Maybe just once in awhile?

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Spiral_Staircase · 07-24-2001, 04:56 PM

wow. In my view, Bebe, that is a very exteme position for someone to hold. do you mind me asking what kind of church you go to?

Achtung_Bebe · 07-24-2001, 04:59 PM

I shall never tire of seeing froggie's navel

No Spiral, I don't mind. It's just your typical universal Catholic church. This guy was brought in from a seperate retreat though. I'm not sure anyone knew he'd speak so passionately about the navel.

I think he may be alone in his views!

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"If I am close to the music, and you are close to the music, we are close to each other." -Bono

Like O2 · 07-24-2001, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Achtung_Bebe:
He went on and on about the exposure of the female navel. To him it was the window into the sacred womb, and must be veiled

Maybe he should be more concerned about keeping "the door" to the womb closed rather than keeping the blinds down over the window. LOL

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"See, the rock star gets his way. Thank you very much. This feels very Elvis. Thank you."

Bono - Houston, Texas 4-2-01

Achtung_Bebe · 07-24-2001, 05:08 PM

Like O2... LMAO!!!

When you start laying down a "WELCOME" mat, you know you're in trouble

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"If I am close to the music, and you are close to the music, we are close to each other." -Bono

Like O2 · 07-24-2001, 05:17 PM

Depending on how they ring the door bell...it can be pretty tough not to answer.

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"See, the rock star gets his way. Thank you very much. This feels very Elvis. Thank you."

Bono - Houston, Texas 4-2-01

Achtung_Bebe · 07-24-2001, 05:26 PM

Yes, indeed, unless they come with a peep hole into their soul.

haha we could go on forever

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"If I am close to the music, and you are close to the music, we are close to each other." -Bono

Johnny Swallow · 07-24-2001, 05:47 PM

I WILL NEVER GIVE UP MY HALTER TOPS!!!:MAD:

Well, I don't really agree with that viewpoint. Modesty is a good thing to have, but people should be more concerned with spiritual growth rather than wearing the 'right' amount of clothing.

U2Bama · 07-24-2001, 07:26 PM

I can tell you what I know of my denomination: The navel is not mentioned in the United Methodist Book if Discipline, nor have I heard any sermons on it. Interesting, though. This could be a new splinter movement within the Christian church: The Church of the Holy Navel.

~U2Alabama

martha · 07-24-2001, 08:01 PM

From an outsider (me): Why do men take it upon themselves to tell women how to dress and conduct ourselves in the name of modesty? Especially when they only see us as wombs and not women.

Don't let me piss you off. I'm wary of anyone who uses religion to keep women covered/controlled. That's a dishonest use of religion.

Klodomir · 07-25-2001, 02:29 AM

Hmm... that's a different type of navel-gazing!

I can't help you with the religious view, but I do have two points: While I believe that women should be allowed to wear whatever they want, I am a little worried about the behaviour I'm seeing in little girls at the moment. What are 10-year-olds doing wearing push-up bras and tiny tops? Also, I read this article the other day, which I found rather worrying: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2001...y_image_2.html

Secondly: Why do so many men feel they have the right to walk around shirtless in public? It's not that I have any hang-ups about men in general, but with weather like this, the amount of flabby, hairy, sweaty male flesh I'm forced to look at is just horrendous. Yes, I'm shallow, I may not get quite as upset at the sight of a buff, tanned young man, but really - why is it necessary for men to flaunt their stuff like that? A T-shirt won't give you heat stroke.

zooropamanda · 07-25-2001, 04:16 AM

oh my Like O2 and beebs, that was de funniest!

haha I spat out my drink oxygen girl

Miss MacPhisto · 07-25-2001, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Klodomir:
Hmm... that's a different type of navel-gazing!

I can't help you with the religious view, but I do have two points: While I believe that women should be allowed to wear whatever they want, I am a little worried about the behaviour I'm seeing in little girls at the moment. What are 10-year-olds doing wearing push-up bras and tiny tops? Also, I read this article the other day, which I found rather worrying: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2001...y_image_2.html

Oh, geez, i know, the slutty 10 year olds are everywhere around here. Lots of slutty 7 year olds too. Its sick. Those parents need to be hauled in and slapped around.

So does the media,etc.

As for ugly guys taking thier shirts off, i also heartily agree. i think EVERYONE needs to put on more clothes!
Except U2. They need to take em off,baby!hee hee!

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I and I In The Sky / You Make Me Feel Like I Can Fly...So High...EL E VA TION!

We're free to fly the crimson skies...The sun wont melt our wings tonight...

*TAKE ME HIGHER*

Like O2 · 07-26-2001, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zooropamanda:
oh my Like O2 and beebs, that was de funniest!

haha I spat out my drink oxygen girl

I feel a little bad for the speaker at Bebe's church. He had such good intentions...imagine if he read this post and found that this speech about modesty turned into a discussion of "welcome mats", "door bells", and "peep holes"

candys room · 07-28-2001, 02:45 AM

window into the sacred womb, i think thats poetry, but only poetry.
you all have dirty infested little minds , hee hee

HeartlandGirl · 07-28-2001, 07:49 PM

So what about men's navels? Do they get to show theirs because they don't have wombs? Are men's navels windows to anything?

As a Catholic, I can say my personal, official feeling on the subject is that my belly button is simply the place where I used to be connected to my mother. What's the big deal about that?

Sounds to me like that guy is just looking for an excuse to get young girls to stop dressing so slutty (B Spears, etc).

O2, that was really funny!

80sU2isBest · 07-28-2001, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by martha:
From an outsider (me): Why do men take it upon themselves to tell women how to dress and conduct ourselves in the name of modesty? Especially when they only see us as wombs and not women.

Martha, I don't quite get this. Who sees women as wombs?

80sU2isBest · 07-28-2001, 11:28 PM

I think modesty is great, but it seems to me that there are a lot worse things than showing a belly button.

At my church, I sometimes ask myself "where are the parents? Why do they let their girls dress this way", because I often see teenage girls who are dressed very inapproriately for church. I'm talking short short skirts that show an awful lot of leg. In a perfect world, there would be nothing wrong wit that, but this is not a perfect world. A teenage boy is a teenage boy, and we all know how excited teenage boys get when they see even a little bit of exposed skin. They should not have to deal with that at church. Church is for wworshipping God, not gazing at a pair of hot pants. I think parents should think about these things a little more, and realize that kind of clothing is definitely not appropriate for church.

07-24-2001, 04:44 PM	#1
Achtung_Bebe New Yorker Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Beneath the noise, below the din Posts: 2,859 Local Time: 10:07 AM	Behind the Navel At a youth gathering in my church, there was a guest speaker who spoke about such things as modesty. He went on and on about the exposure of the female navel. To him it was the window into the sacred womb, and must be veiled as the Holy Eucharist is veiled. This seemed rather extreme to me. He even brought up the latest Levi's commercial, with the singing navels, and how this upset him. I couldn't comprehend this really, perhaps because I confess to wearing the occasional halter top and owning a few pairs of 2-piece swimming suits. I decided to interrupt him with the the point that perhaps it is fit to display the navel, as a sacred statue might be. This had him stumped Anyway, I appreciated his respect for the life giving womb, however I don't see myself throwing out the halters anytime soon. Does anyone else hold this extreme belief? What are your thoughts? ------------------ "If I am close to the music, and you are close to the music, we are close to each other." -Bono __________________

07-24-2001, 04:47 PM	#2
frogbat The Fly Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 290 Local Time: 04:07 PM	i hold the extreme opposite view __________________

07-28-2001, 11:28 PM	#20
80sU2isBest Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 4,970 Local Time: 11:07 AM	I think modesty is great, but it seems to me that there are a lot worse things than showing a belly button. At my church, I sometimes ask myself "where are the parents? Why do they let their girls dress this way", because I often see teenage girls who are dressed very inapproriately for church. I'm talking short short skirts that show an awful lot of leg. In a perfect world, there would be nothing wrong wit that, but this is not a perfect world. A teenage boy is a teenage boy, and we all know how excited teenage boys get when they see even a little bit of exposed skin. They should not have to deal with that at church. Church is for wworshipping God, not gazing at a pair of hot pants. I think parents should think about these things a little more, and realize that kind of clothing is definitely not appropriate for church. __________________

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07-24-2001, 04:51 PM	#3
Miss MacPhisto Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Planet Pleba Posts: 1,957 Local Time: 08:07 AM	Thats nice that you love to flaunt it Froggie, but we are getting just a little tired of seeing your navel...isnt it time to cover it up??? Maybe just once in awhile? ------------------ I and I In The Sky / You Make Me Feel Like I Can Fly...So High...EL E VA TION! We're free to fly the crimson skies...The sun wont melt our wings tonight... TAKE ME HIGHER [This message has been edited by Miss MacPhisto (edited 07-24-2001).]

07-24-2001, 04:56 PM	#4
Spiral_Staircase War Child Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Knoxville, TN, USA Posts: 684 Local Time: 10:07 AM	wow. In my view, Bebe, that is a very exteme position for someone to hold. do you mind me asking what kind of church you go to?

07-24-2001, 04:59 PM	#5
Achtung_Bebe New Yorker Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Beneath the noise, below the din Posts: 2,859 Local Time: 10:07 AM	I shall never tire of seeing froggie's navel No Spiral, I don't mind. It's just your typical universal Catholic church. This guy was brought in from a seperate retreat though. I'm not sure anyone knew he'd speak so passionately about the navel. I think he may be alone in his views! ------------------ "If I am close to the music, and you are close to the music, we are close to each other." -Bono

07-24-2001, 05:08 PM	#7
Achtung_Bebe New Yorker Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Beneath the noise, below the din Posts: 2,859 Local Time: 10:07 AM	Like O2... LMAO!!! When you start laying down a "WELCOME" mat, you know you're in trouble ------------------ "If I am close to the music, and you are close to the music, we are close to each other." -Bono

07-24-2001, 05:17 PM	#8
Like O2 She wore graaaapes Join Date: May 2001 Location: Slightly north of the Lone Star state Posts: 1,800 Local Time: 10:07 AM	Depending on how they ring the door bell...it can be pretty tough not to answer. ------------------ "See, the rock star gets his way. Thank you very much. This feels very Elvis. Thank you." Bono - Houston, Texas 4-2-01

07-24-2001, 05:26 PM	#9
Achtung_Bebe New Yorker Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Beneath the noise, below the din Posts: 2,859 Local Time: 10:07 AM	Yes, indeed, unless they come with a peep hole into their soul. haha we could go on forever ------------------ "If I am close to the music, and you are close to the music, we are close to each other." -Bono

07-24-2001, 05:47 PM	#10
Johnny Swallow Bad Daddy Johnny Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 1,925 Local Time: 11:07 AM	I WILL NEVER GIVE UP MY HALTER TOPS!!!:MAD: Well, I don't really agree with that viewpoint. Modesty is a good thing to have, but people should be more concerned with spiritual growth rather than wearing the 'right' amount of clothing.

07-24-2001, 07:26 PM	#11
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 11:07 AM	I can tell you what I know of my denomination: The navel is not mentioned in the United Methodist Book if Discipline, nor have I heard any sermons on it. Interesting, though. This could be a new splinter movement within the Christian church: The Church of the Holy Navel. ~U2Alabama

07-24-2001, 08:01 PM	#12
martha Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place Posts: 42,556 Local Time: 09:07 AM	From an outsider (me): Why do men take it upon themselves to tell women how to dress and conduct ourselves in the name of modesty? Especially when they only see us as wombs and not women. Don't let me piss you off. I'm wary of anyone who uses religion to keep women covered/controlled. That's a dishonest use of religion.

07-25-2001, 02:29 AM	#13
Klodomir Refugee Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,198 Local Time: 05:07 PM	Hmm... that's a different type of navel-gazing! I can't help you with the religious view, but I do have two points: While I believe that women should be allowed to wear whatever they want, I am a little worried about the behaviour I'm seeing in little girls at the moment. What are 10-year-olds doing wearing push-up bras and tiny tops? Also, I read this article the other day, which I found rather worrying: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2001...y_image_2.html Secondly: Why do so many men feel they have the right to walk around shirtless in public? It's not that I have any hang-ups about men in general, but with weather like this, the amount of flabby, hairy, sweaty male flesh I'm forced to look at is just horrendous. Yes, I'm shallow, I may not get quite as upset at the sight of a buff, tanned young man, but really - why is it necessary for men to flaunt their stuff like that? A T-shirt won't give you heat stroke.

07-25-2001, 04:16 AM	#14
zooropamanda Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Smile, you're reading my post Posts: 6,515 Local Time: 02:07 AM	oh my Like O2 and beebs, that was de funniest! haha I spat out my drink oxygen girl

07-28-2001, 02:45 AM	#17
candys room The Fly Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the palm of your hand Posts: 261 Local Time: 04:07 PM	window into the sacred womb, i think thats poetry, but only poetry. you all have dirty infested little minds , hee hee

07-28-2001, 07:49 PM	#18
HeartlandGirl Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix Posts: 7,174 Local Time: 09:07 AM	So what about men's navels? Do they get to show theirs because they don't have wombs? Are men's navels windows to anything? As a Catholic, I can say my personal, official feeling on the subject is that my belly button is simply the place where I used to be connected to my mother. What's the big deal about that? Sounds to me like that guy is just looking for an excuse to get young girls to stop dressing so slutty (B Spears, etc). O2, that was really funny!