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Old 11-24-2007, 09:01 PM   #81
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I reckon Turnbull will become leader. Very Liberal type, (ie. buying his way into politics).

As long as it's not that shallow silver-spooner git Downer.....
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OK, looks like we can rule out Downer too.

From the ABC: "Mr Downer has told Insiders he plans to fulfil his three-year term in opposition but he would not give a guarantee." It also notes that he supported Costello for the leadership.

Are we seeing a massive change in the Liberals? All the dated, unliked, unwelcome ministers are realising their time is up? PHILIP WORTHLESS FUCKING RUDDOCK, ARE YOU LISTENING? I imagine they'll lose the next election, but will build up a new, younger team to be a serious force by 2013.
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As much as I hate Costello (he's a slimey git), the liberals are pretty much fucked now. He's the only one who knew what he was doing.

I honestly think it'll be Turnbull, but there will be alot of party leadership bitch fights and fratching. Personally I'm just pleased John Howard got his arse kicked. The clown. And Chijoff got her just desserts, the stupid bitch.
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Evidently, we U2 fans are a bunch of lefties. Nobody's shown up to defend our ex-Prime Minister. I suppose all the Liberal fans are on the verge of tears like their leader and can't handle the gloating of the rest of us.
The environment is also gloating!

A certain "Mr. Bush" is becoming increasingly isolated on that issue, and on Iraq. Interesting.
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Woohoo!

I can see clearly now, the rain is gone....

Please let this be a genuine, lasting change in direction for Australia.

Please finally make some federal decisions of which we can all be proud, rather than feel ashamed and backwards.

And please spare a thought for poor JH's wife Janette, who now may to spend a lot more time with the miserable little bugger.

Unless he's considering signing up with the local cricket club, just in time for the summer?

Sorry couldn't resist...
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but will build up a new, younger team to be a serious force by 2013.
Which could mean the rise and rise of Christopher Pyne
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i still hate the fact our two parties are still so similar.


I agree, it's just a personality contest now. Both parties promise the world and deliver not much at all.

Thank god SBS wasn't showing the election I had a cracking night watching Top Gear and Long Way round, although updates every 10 mins was a pain

The best thing about the day after the election - no more bloody fliers in the mail
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Great result last night. I've been reading some opinions on msn- I've got to say people are genuinely stupid- comments such as 'god help Australia' and 'this countries in serious trouble now.' It's a testament to the scare campaign ran by Howard all along that people think that the nation would be in serious economic trouble if Rudd was elected. Thank goodness the majority of Australian's did not fall for that though
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Hasn't it been some 48 hours, Coalition out, Howard possibly gone and the Libs in complete disarray

Watched the ABC coverage with Mum last night and to hear Bennelong was going while it was still broad daylight was a joy and an excuse to get stuck into the sav blanc nice and early. I did my bit to make Port Adelaide an even more safe Labor seat (70% of the vote ) I also live very close to the border of Hindmarsh (once marginal, now safe) and today I was quite sad to see Steve Georganas's smiling face disappear from every second stobie pole of every main road around here

Nick Xenophon from SA has also been elected as one of 2 independent senators. He had definitely got up the government's nose here in SA so it will be interesting what deals he does once he gets to Canberra. And hopefully the Greens get the second SA senate seat. I went to a quiz night (topic: pop culture - 60s to 00s) as a fundraiser for Sarah Hansen-Young for the Greens, that counts as being politically involved, doesn't it?
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Hey blueeyedgirl - good to see another south aussie on here
Yeah, great results all around I think. My electorate (Makin) swung to Labor by a fair majority, which was satisfying!
Must say I too was pretty surprised by Costello's announcement - there is certainly going to be some major upheavel in the Liberal Party now, that's for sure.
I agree, it should be interesting to see how Nick Xenophon goes in canberra - i don't necessarily agree with all his opinions, but it's always good to see someone willing to stick their neck out for what they believe in.
What a good day to be an Aussie
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You reap what you sow. Howard has gained his power entirely through divide & conquer policies and hate & fear campaigns. Eventually he was going to have too few friends left, it was bound to happen, and personally, I think it was always going to happen the minute Labor put forward even a remotely competent candidate. The previous two elections before this one could easily have gone Labor's way as well if only their candidates just had half a brain and/or just a sprinkling of charisma. It's no surprise that as soon as they put someone personable like Rudd forward, it was over for the Liberals. They never seemed to get that either.

As for leadership - you wouldn't want to be the opposition leader for the next year or so. They're going to be run through the shit like you wouldn't believe. An arrogant Labor with a mandate and 11 years of revenge to unleash, a party in disarray (did you know that the singular highest office the Liberal party holds now in this entire country is Mayor of Brisbane?) etc. The next one is the whipping boy, fall guy, will be gone in a year. The next opposition leader won't contest the next election. Costello would be looking at that vs a mega-job in the private sector and thinking "Fuck it" and fair enough. Costello isn't that bad - he's got all the charm of a hand grenade, but he's nowhere near as conservative as the rest of them. A Costello led party would have been waaaay left of a Howard led party and I think he would have also seen a fight on his hands if he were leader, but in opposition, so no 'real' power, and trying to pull this group in his direction. Anyway, personally, I'd like to see Abbott in there now. I hate that right-wing one man freak show with a passion - watching him get bashed around will be great. Then, I reckon it will be Turnbull contesting the next election.
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Two things on Kevin Rudd:

1) Just because he's from Queensland, it doesn't mean his wife can get away with dressing like she's from Queensland.

2) The music they played when he was heading up to, and leaving, the stage was a real worry. If that's the best they can do...
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He seems a bit weak, his party is a fucking mess, his views on certain things (like gay marriage) are wrong, and he's not as "cool" and "progressive" as his party tried to make him out to be.
He's still for logging in Tassie, not getting rid of work choices (well some of it, but still keeping some really hardcore rules in place)

I just want some stuff to change. You want to bring the troops home, do it. You want to cool the relationship with America, please DO IT. Don't make these stupid promises and then back out of them like johnny did.

i still hate the fact our two parties are still so similar.
...wow, change the place and leader names and that pretty much sums up American politics right now! Nice to know our country isn't alone in having those problems.

Anywho, while I'm not overly well-versed in the candidates in Australian politics, I've talked to many a friend from that country who's vented about Howard and whatnot, so I'm glad that your country is getting some change in its leadership at last. Here's hoping for better days .

Also, Angela Harlem and Axver, ya know, you guys really should say what's on your minds more often. Don't hold back .

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2) The music they played when he was heading up to, and leaving, the stage was a real worry. If that's the best they can do...
Yep, I thought that was the bum note of the night. for a minute I thought they were gonna drag out Eye of the Tiger as well....
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Also can I mention how shocked I was to hear Matt Price has passed away. I had no idea he was ill. I loved reading his columns in the Australian, he had a wicked sense of humour. And a sad love of the Dockers. RIP.
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Wow Clare Martin Chief Minister of the NT resigned today as well as Sal Stirling the deputy. She's labor too.... there are a lot of confused head scratching going on right now
is she bailing because she wants a cosy position in Canberra?
is she freaking out because she's going to get her arse kicked over the absolute SHIT job she's been doing with the indidgenous population.
Do she and Rudd hate each other and she knows shes gonna get the stick anyway?
veeeeeeeeeery interesting.

And i agree Earnie. I want Tony Abbott to become opposition leader because i can't wait till he's fucking taaken down in a barrage of shit that he has to take the fall for. Please take your right wing bullshit views, your family first freakos and your citizens countil fuckheads and piss off!!

which im not all hoooraaaaaaaah for Rudd - we'll see how he goes over the next few months, im looking forward to the liberals to go quietly away and lick their wounds.
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Big Government Conservatives versus Big Government Conservatives - who won exactly?
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Personally I think the satisfaction comes from the fact that John Howard got his arse kicked in the most spectacular fashion.

My parents, brothers and I aren't going to necessarily be better off...but it's almost better to be screwed over by the center faction than the right.

That's how I see it anyway.
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Big Government Conservatives versus Big Government Conservatives - who won exactly?

the guy with more hair and the younger wife won. That's the only difference that I can see
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