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Old 03-27-2006, 11:53 PM   #21
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Wow, gotta love the double standard!

Pretend I were to have sex with a male professor, then regretted it or decided to hate him for whatever reason and wanted him punished. I've no doubt I could make a case against him given the fact that he's a man and there's this professor-student power distance so I could argue I felt pressured into it and make up some lies about he threatened to fail me if I didn't. Who knows, I might even win a case like that!

But here we have a sexual act that CLEARLY violates statutes and regardless of whether the boy presses charges, the offender can still be prosecuted. But noooooooo, nothing will happen because the offender is not only female, but "good looking" (put that in quotes b/c she looks pretty skanky to me).

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"To place Debbie into a Florida state women's penitentiary, to place an attractive young woman in that kind of hellhole, is like putting a piece of raw meat in with the lions"
Yeah buddy, newsflash, that's what we do with SEX OFFENDERS!!
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You know that one woman got out of jail and married her teen lover who by that time was of age.

Notice my post, I am not in any way condoning the situation that this thread started around, but rather, trying to inspire a broad minded and careful approach to the topic.

I did notice that you did not condone

I have not heard about the woman and her teen lover. However, I know of cases where these lovers (or at least the older part) made a point in waiting untill the younger party was at least 16. Because hey realize their legal surroundings and wanted to make sure their partner had the time to develope and mature sufficently. I know that one can also have sex at an earlier age, i just feel that a grown up person should have enough love, care and level-headedness to ensure these things. If not, then at least for the sake of pure self-interest (e.g. avoiding a law suit). Maybe it would help to once think from the perspective of a parent. I would go rampage if some adult had sex with an underage child of mine (if i had one).
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Yeah buddy, newsflash, that's what we do with SEX OFFENDERS!!
The lawyer was just doing his job, and defending his client. He had to say that, or else he'd be committing legal malpractice.

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Old 03-28-2006, 12:36 AM   #24
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christ, i wish she would've "molested" me when i was 14!

when i was your age, i was so smooth i had my hot blond teacher in her 20's fucking me!
You may disagree with the legal assessment all you like, but this is a completely inappropriate topic to make fun of, particularly vulgarly. For all you know, some of your fellow posters might have been molested as children themselves.
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Old 03-28-2006, 07:04 AM   #25
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thank you yolland

but hey, it's all about "hotness"
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Was she a teacher when she was posing on that motorcycle?

I think she is a child molester and she should have been tossed into jail.
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Old 03-28-2006, 11:24 AM   #27
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You may disagree with the legal assessment all you like, but this is a completely inappropriate topic to make fun of, particularly vulgarly. For all you know, some of your fellow posters might have been molested as children themselves.


i guess what i mean to say is i bet the kid isn't too broke up about this situation. i dont think most 14 year old boys would be, at least i wouldnt, unless i got a disease out of it.

not making fun of, just stating the obvious. i mean it's not like the kid was 10 or anything. in less than 2 years, he would be "legal" anyway, depending on the state. if this was a girl that got molested and the teacher was a male, you could be damn sure he'd be in prison right now.
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i guess what i mean to say is i bet the kid isn't too broke up about this situation. i dont think most 14 year old boys would be, at least i wouldnt, unless i got a disease out of it.
How do you know that? You are basing your opinion on a stereotype that doesn't apply to everyone and honestly is one reason why these women are getting away with what they are doing.

Getting a disease might even be a breeze relatively speaking when compared to the emotional damage that might be done. A 14 year old boy is still a child mentally and emotionally, I don't care how much sex he is having and with whom, even if it's consensual and with girls his age. So add an adult into the equation and an adult who is a teacher, well it sure seems like one big problem to me. Most 14 year old boys have no idea about the potential long term damage a situation like that can have on their future emotional lives, mental health, and in future relationships.
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Old 07-24-2006, 07:47 PM   #29
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Sure it's a "double standard". So what.
It all depends on the 14 year old boys state of mind. Was he tricked into having sex - I highly doubt it. Was he molested, drugged, or fooled in any way??? Probably not. I know it's been said far too many times but there is real truth in this...I wish I had had the opportunity to score with an older babe when I was 14!!! Sorry folks but it's the truth. Most 14 year old boys would.
Now the difference between a man and a girl and a woman and a boy - the biggest differences are... the boy most likely really wanted to have sex with this "older woman" (not that there aren't cases that are similar involving girls) - the huge difference is that the 14 year old boy COULD NOT GET PREGANT therefore it is not as serious as it would be if a pregancy was involved. That is number 1 in my books. I guess the "older woman" could of gotten pregnant but oh well, at least she's not 14. It's the oldest double standard in the book and will always be that way no matter how many Nancy Graces there are telling us otherwise. Unless it is UNWANTED sex (big fat ugly psycho teacher molesting 14 year old boy) and if indeed it was MUTUAL then leave it alone and start concentrating on the real pedophiles out there - ones who harm CHILDREN and not horny 14 year old boys!!!
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it isn't really hard to understand how the double standard (as wrong as it is) has come to exist
teenage boys are driven by hormones (even more than teenage girls maybe), not many people would disagree
but the law should protect against those who try to take advantage of this
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How do you know that? You are basing your opinion on a stereotype that doesn't apply to everyone and honestly is one reason why these women are getting away with what they are doing.

Getting a disease might even be a breeze relatively speaking when compared to the emotional damage that might be done. A 14 year old boy is still a child mentally and emotionally, I don't care how much sex he is having and with whom, even if it's consensual and with girls his age. So add an adult into the equation and an adult who is a teacher, well it sure seems like one big problem to me. Most 14 year old boys have no idea about the potential long term damage a situation like that can have on their future emotional lives, mental health, and in future relationships.
A stereotype

The major issue here is that it involved an abuse of authority, 14 is the age of consent in many European countries. I fail to see how this case warrants such harsh criticism and demands for "justice".
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A stereotype

The major issue here is that it involved an abuse of authority, 14 is the age of consent in many European countries. I fail to see how this case warrants such harsh criticism and demands for "justice".
Because 14 is not the age of consent in this country. It was illegal.

If it was a 14 year old girl, would we be having this conversation? (I'm not sure why we're having it again. Slow day in FYM?)
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She's back in the news:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/04...ref=newssearch
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She's back in the news:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/04...ref=newssearch
Well she wouldn't be if she had been put in prison in the first place.
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Old 12-05-2007, 04:52 PM   #36
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At least it was non-sexual-but hey sexual with a boy is still ok when you're a hot blond teacher and all that..
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Old 12-05-2007, 05:15 PM   #37
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I really hate that double standard. I know many teenage boys have their fantasies and all that, but whether he wanted it or not, the fact remains that since he was underage, it's illegal, and she should've been properly punished the first time for her crime. She shouldn't get a lighter sentence just 'cause she's a "hot" teacher. And she's stupid for getting herself caught again.

I just want to know why on earth I'm hearing about this sort of thing so often nowadays? Swear to god, every few months a new story like this pops up, it's insane. Yet we ban kids from giving their friends a quick hug at school.

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But this underage girl will turn 18 on January 2 and insists there was nothing inappropriate about their conversation. Technically a teenager under 18, yes, and that means the terms of her probation were broken, but it sure is a gray area for me.
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(CNN) -- Debra Lafave, the former Florida middle school teacher convicted of having sex with a student, violated her probation by hugging a young co-worker, a Florida judge found Thursday.

But the judge did not send Lafave to jail, saying the violation was "not willful and substantial."

"Please don't come back," he scolded.

Dressed in a severely tailored black pantsuit, Lafave said she had "innocent" physical contact with a female co-worker she knew as under age 18.

At the time, she and the 17-year-old hostess worked at Danny Boy's, a small restaurant in the Tampa, Florida, area.

Lafave, 27, pleaded guilty in November 2005 to having sex with a 14-year-old boy and was sentenced to three years under house arrest and seven years of probation.

Lafave was required to register as a sex offender and ordered not to have any contact with minors. A tracking device she carries as part of her probation went off in court, prompting the prosecutor to observe, "I think she's accounted for."

Lafave acknowledged she was aware that hugs and other forms of physical contact -- as well as conversations about sex -- with minors violated terms of her probation. She referred to the sexually explicit conversations at work as just "girl talk."

Lafave denied talking about her sex life with co-workers. "I don't speak that way about my personal life," she said. But she added that her co-workers spoke freely about sex in a "small group setting."

While other co-workers socialized outside work, Lafave said, the 17-year-old was not included in those outings.

Asked why she hugged the young co-worker, Lafave explained it was a small restaurant with a casual atmosphere where co-workers felt like family. The contact came, she said, "out of my good nature, that's the way it worked."

The contacts that led to Thursday's probation violation hearing first surfaced during two polygraph tests administered as part of Lafave's court-ordered supervision.

She received a verbal reprimand a year ago, according to testimony. When the behavior continued, her probation officer asked a judge to find her in violation.

She was ordered to quit the restaurant job and now works as a receptionist in her mother's beauty shop.

In the past, Lafave has said she suffers from bipolar disorder and is receiving treatment.
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