Are women stupid? - Page 2

MrsSpringsteen · 03-04-2008, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bono's shades
Would they print a column asking the question "Are black people stupid?"

No

Self loathing is a complex issue, that's my initial impression of the whole thing

Golightly Grrl · 03-04-2008, 12:15 PM

Charlotte Allen is at the helm of the majorly misnomered anti-feminist organization Independent Women's Forum (IWF). The IWF uses the language of empowerment to basically tell women, "Get back in the kitchen, bitch, and make me a sandwich." Except for women like Charlotte Allen because she's such a "speshul weshul snowflake." She is in the same vein as Phyllis Schlafly, Dr. Laura and Ann Coulter.

And if this is supposed to be satire, Ms. Allen has done a piss poor job of it. She's no Jonathan Swift. The late Katharine Graham must be rolling in her grave.

Oh, and did someone want to see a picture of Ms. Allen? Here it is:http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/...en_140x140.jpg

deep · 03-04-2008, 12:20 PM

I'm gonna need a lot more beer.

U2isthebest · 03-04-2008, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by deep
I'm gonna need a lot more beer.

I was waiting for something like that.

Golightly Grrl · 03-04-2008, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by deep
I'm gonna need a lot more beer.

Snort. And they say feminists are unattractive.

U2isthebest · 03-04-2008, 12:34 PM

So for the men,

Gloria Steinem circa 1970 or Charlotte Allen

Take your time, fellas.

Golightly Grrl · 03-04-2008, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by U2isthebest
So for the men,

Gloria Steinem circa 1970 or Charlotte Allen

Take your time, fellas.

Gloria Steinem is in her mid-seventies and still looks good:
http://www.observer.com/files/imagec...0Steinem1V.jpg

As for younger feminists, we have:
Susan Faludi
http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/20...aludi_1015.jpg

Naomi Wolf
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...f-naomi184.jpg

Jessica Valenti
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/...ti_140x140.jpg

Amy Richards
http://www.inthesetimes.com/images/29/10/richards.jpg

Jennifer Baumgardner
http://www.timeout.com/newyork/expor...t.jennifer.jpg

Amanda Marcotte
http://media.newsbusters.org/media/2...19Marcotte.jpg

Hmm, not exactly a parade of ugly.

deep · 03-04-2008, 12:59 PM

Because I am a team player

I'll take em all

you can even arrange the order.

but, of course for that to happen
women would have to be stupid

BEAL · 03-04-2008, 03:22 PM

"Women...Are....Dirty" -- David Brent

MrsSpringsteen · 03-04-2008, 03:29 PM

politico.com

March 03, 2008
Read More: Washington Post

Wash Post editor says controversial piece was 'tongue-in-cheek'

On the front of Sunday’s Outlook section, in the Washington Post, two articles were placed under the banner, “Women vs. Women.”

It’s the second piece, titled "We Scream, We Swoon. How Dumb Can We Get?” by Charlotte Allen that immediately fired up the blogosphere, and prompted Media Matters to get involved.

“If it insulted people, that was not the intent,” Outlook editor John Pomfret told me this morning, calling the piece “tongue-in-cheek.”

Pomfret said that Allen pitched the idea to him as a riff on women fainting at Obama rallies, and similarities with the Beatles.

Allen wrote:

"I can't help it, but reading about such episodes of screaming, gushing and swooning makes me wonder whether women—I should say 'we women,"'of course—aren't the weaker sex after all. Or even the stupid sex, our brains permanently occluded by random emotions, psychosomatic flailings and distraction by the superficial."

“She wanted to make fun of this issue,” Pomfret said. “A lot of people have taken it very seriously.”

But Allen didn't stop there. She continued on with countless stereotypes about how women are supposedly inferior to men. We're talking smaller brains, loving Grey's Anatomy, and being bad at math and driving. Ugh.

And those are just a few things that set off bloggers on the left and right.

Feministing:

“Professional anti-feminists make too much bank to ever stop writing sexist drivel. The Washington Post, however—who claims to be so concerned about how to appeal to women that it convened a task force on the subject—should know better."

Hot Air:

“Rarely have I read a newspaper column that shocks me for its sheer breadth of nonsense, but today’s effort by Charlotte Allen in the Washington Post provides one of those I-can’t-believe-she-wrote-that moments."

And Media Matters jumped on the piece, too.

Pomfret said that being an opinion article, he’s not surprised readers reacted to it strongly. But added: “Perhaps it wasn’t packaged well enough to make it clear that it was tongue-in-cheek.”

Even if intended as a joke, the Allen piece clearly isn't the best way for the Post to achieve its goal of bringing in more women readers, and it remains to be seen if the fallout continues today.

“It’s not the first time in opinion journalism that something has fallen flat,” Pomfret said.

UPDATE: There were so many responses to the WaPo piece, and I just noted a couple early critical ones. Also worth checking out: Jezebel, Glamocracy, and Eat the Press (which has links to several more).

MrsSpringsteen · 03-05-2008, 07:19 AM

Is it 2008? Seriously

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/...8851.asp?c=rss

Monday Mar 03, 2008

Earhardt: "Here at Fox we Like to be Feminine"

The Fox & Friends crew, pulling a sixth day yesterday, were immersed in a discussion about pantsuits and Sen. Hillary Clinton when it came time to throw to Ainsley Earhardt who was handling news reader duties.

Co-anchor Brian Kilmeade asked Earhardt if she ever wore pantsuits herself, and she said she had, but, "Here at Fox, we like to be feminine. So we don't wear the pants." Kilmeade wanted to make sure he wasn't misunderstood, though — he is firmly against pantsuits. "If I was to run for office, I'd run on the pro-skirt platform," he said.

indra · 03-05-2008, 07:29 AM

I think if Brian Kilmeade wants to wear a skirt that he should.

Golightly Grrl · 03-05-2008, 03:32 PM

Charlotte Allen responds to the comments her column generated, and proves to be just as smug and defensive as I thought she'd be:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...030402153.html

MrsSpringsteen · 03-05-2008, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Golightly Grrl
Charlotte Allen responds to the comments her column generated, and proves to be just as smug and defensive as I thought she'd be:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...030402153.html

That's painful-does it ever end?

MrsSpringsteen · 03-06-2008, 07:54 AM

Maybe people care that she said this

Charlotte Allen: I said Katrina was the best thing to happen to New Orleans because it finally opportunity to a huge number of New Orleans residents living in passive dependency on welfare to get out of New Orleans and change their lives for the better.

03-04-2008, 12:15 PM	#22
Golightly Grrl Refugee Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 1,415 Local Time: 02:23 AM	Charlotte Allen is at the helm of the majorly misnomered anti-feminist organization Independent Women's Forum (IWF). The IWF uses the language of empowerment to basically tell women, "Get back in the kitchen, bitch, and make me a sandwich." Except for women like Charlotte Allen because she's such a "speshul weshul snowflake." She is in the same vein as Phyllis Schlafly, Dr. Laura and Ann Coulter. And if this is supposed to be satire, Ms. Allen has done a piss poor job of it. She's no Jonathan Swift. The late Katharine Graham must be rolling in her grave. Oh, and did someone want to see a picture of Ms. Allen? Here it is:http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/...en_140x140.jpg __________________

03-06-2008, 07:54 AM	#35
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,221 Local Time: 10:23 PM	Maybe people care that she said this Charlotte Allen: I said Katrina was the best thing to happen to New Orleans because it finally opportunity to a huge number of New Orleans residents living in passive dependency on welfare to get out of New Orleans and change their lives for the better. __________________

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deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,601 Local Time: 06:23 PM	I'm gonna need a lot more beer.

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U2isthebest ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Vision over visibility.... Posts: 12,332 Local Time: 10:23 PM	So for the men, Gloria Steinem circa 1970 or Charlotte Allen Take your time, fellas.

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deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,601 Local Time: 06:23 PM	Because I am a team player I'll take em all you can even arrange the order. but, of course for that to happen women would have to be stupid

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BEAL Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 6,748 Local Time: 02:23 AM	"Women...Are....Dirty" -- David Brent

03-04-2008, 03:29 PM	#30
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,221 Local Time: 10:23 PM	politico.com March 03, 2008 Read More: Washington Post Wash Post editor says controversial piece was 'tongue-in-cheek' On the front of Sunday’s Outlook section, in the Washington Post, two articles were placed under the banner, “Women vs. Women.” It’s the second piece, titled "We Scream, We Swoon. How Dumb Can We Get?” by Charlotte Allen that immediately fired up the blogosphere, and prompted Media Matters to get involved. “If it insulted people, that was not the intent,” Outlook editor John Pomfret told me this morning, calling the piece “tongue-in-cheek.” Pomfret said that Allen pitched the idea to him as a riff on women fainting at Obama rallies, and similarities with the Beatles. Allen wrote: "I can't help it, but reading about such episodes of screaming, gushing and swooning makes me wonder whether women—I should say 'we women,"'of course—aren't the weaker sex after all. Or even the stupid sex, our brains permanently occluded by random emotions, psychosomatic flailings and distraction by the superficial." “She wanted to make fun of this issue,” Pomfret said. “A lot of people have taken it very seriously.” But Allen didn't stop there. She continued on with countless stereotypes about how women are supposedly inferior to men. We're talking smaller brains, loving Grey's Anatomy, and being bad at math and driving. Ugh. And those are just a few things that set off bloggers on the left and right. Feministing: “Professional anti-feminists make too much bank to ever stop writing sexist drivel. The Washington Post, however—who claims to be so concerned about how to appeal to women that it convened a task force on the subject—should know better." Hot Air: “Rarely have I read a newspaper column that shocks me for its sheer breadth of nonsense, but today’s effort by Charlotte Allen in the Washington Post provides one of those I-can’t-believe-she-wrote-that moments." And Media Matters jumped on the piece, too. Pomfret said that being an opinion article, he’s not surprised readers reacted to it strongly. But added: “Perhaps it wasn’t packaged well enough to make it clear that it was tongue-in-cheek.” Even if intended as a joke, the Allen piece clearly isn't the best way for the Post to achieve its goal of bringing in more women readers, and it remains to be seen if the fallout continues today. “It’s not the first time in opinion journalism that something has fallen flat,” Pomfret said. UPDATE: There were so many responses to the WaPo piece, and I just noted a couple early critical ones. Also worth checking out: Jezebel, Glamocracy, and Eat the Press (which has links to several more).

03-05-2008, 07:19 AM	#31
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,221 Local Time: 10:23 PM	Is it 2008? Seriously http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/...8851.asp?c=rss Monday Mar 03, 2008 Earhardt: "Here at Fox we Like to be Feminine" The Fox & Friends crew, pulling a sixth day yesterday, were immersed in a discussion about pantsuits and Sen. Hillary Clinton when it came time to throw to Ainsley Earhardt who was handling news reader duties. Co-anchor Brian Kilmeade asked Earhardt if she ever wore pantsuits herself, and she said she had, but, "Here at Fox, we like to be feminine. So we don't wear the pants." Kilmeade wanted to make sure he wasn't misunderstood, though — he is firmly against pantsuits. "If I was to run for office, I'd run on the pro-skirt platform," he said.

03-05-2008, 07:29 AM	#32
indra ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 12,689 Local Time: 10:23 PM	I think if Brian Kilmeade wants to wear a skirt that he should.

03-05-2008, 03:32 PM	#33
Golightly Grrl Refugee Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 1,415 Local Time: 02:23 AM	Charlotte Allen responds to the comments her column generated, and proves to be just as smug and defensive as I thought she'd be: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...030402153.html