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Old 04-17-2008, 04:10 PM   #1
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these types of loaded questions

and accusing them of clinging to religion out of bitterness

is not the way to win hearts and minds
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By comparison to whom? Russians put up with a lot more encroachments on personal liberty by comparison, as do Chinese. If we are going to argue that Americans are stupid, we would have to argue that Russians and Chinese are stupider.
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By comparison to whom? Russians put up with a lot more encroachments on personal liberty by comparison, as do Chinese. If we are going to argue that Americans are stupid, we would have to argue that Russians and Chinese are stupider.
Not to forget the Italians, or the Germans time and time again.
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By comparison to whom? Russians put up with a lot more encroachments on personal liberty by comparison, as do Chinese. If we are going to argue that Americans are stupid, we would have to argue that Russians and Chinese are stupider.
The big difference here is that they don't have so called FREE elections and Americans do. Huge difference actually. The fact that more people say they will vote for yet another Republican administration even after this last horrific one begs the question. Not to mention the Democrats not yet deciding on a nominee. You really have to wonder.
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The big difference here is that they don't have so called FREE elections and Americans do. Huge difference actually. The fact that more people say they will vote for yet another Republican administration even after this last horrific one begs the question. Not to mention the Democrats not yet deciding on a nominee. You really have to wonder.
Geez Harry, as a fellow Canadian, I've read some of your rantings regarding US politics of late, and I have to concur with some of the American posters, they're insulting and inflammatory.

The bottom line is, it's a democracy, and although you may not agree with the political leanings of some people, they do have the right to decide for themselves. Your name calling isn't helpful, nor does it lead to fruitful dialogue.
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The big difference here is that they don't have so called FREE elections and Americans do. Huge difference actually. The fact that more people say they will vote for yet another Republican administration even after this last horrific one begs the question. Not to mention the Democrats not yet deciding on a nominee. You really have to wonder.
Are Canadians from Winnipeg unusually condescending?
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Geez Harry, as a fellow Canadian, I've read some of your rantings regarding US politics of late, and I have to concur with some of the American posters, they're insulting and inflammatory.

The bottom line is, it's a democracy, and although you may not agree with the political leanings of some people, they do have the right to decide for themselves. Your name calling isn't helpful, nor does it lead to fruitful dialogue.
What "name calling"???
I just posted an article from an AMERICAN writer and certain people are offended. Oh well, what can you do. Like you said, they do have the right to decide for themselves.
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What "name calling"???
I just posted an article from an AMERICAN writer and certain people are offended. Oh well, what can you do. Like you said, they do have the right to decide for themselves.
The title of the thread. And it's not just this thread, it's many you have started or posted in lately that if not explicitly state, then strongly imply that 1) Republicans; and 2) Hillary supporters are idiots.

If you toned it back, you'd get better results and more discussion.


ETA - I now see that the title of the thread is taken from a line in the article, so, sorry for that. But I do stand by what I said about others posts being over-the-top.
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Are Canadians from Winnipeg unusually condescending?
Remember that person I ranted about a few weeks ago saying that I wanted to slap her thrice? She is from Winnipeg.
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Met some Winnipegians at a conference a while back. Fine people. Drank a lot of whiskey.
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Met some Winnipegians at a conference a while back. Fine people. Drank a lot of whiskey.
They're not bad people. They're just really, really cold for about 10 months of the year.
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Remember that person I ranted about a few weeks ago saying that I wanted to slap her thrice? She is from Winnipeg.
And the evidence builds...
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Maybe.

At least I know that I'm not, seeing as when I was in eighth grade, I realized that President Bush was going into Iraq for the wrong reasons. I quite vividly remember in my geography class doing an exercise to compare Saddam Hussein to Kim Jong-Il and decide who was the greater threat to America. All but one group chose Kim Jong-Il. Perhaps we were just really intuitive eighth graders, or perhaps the rest of America was dumb. Oh, and something to keep in mind, I come from a small town of 5,000, fairly conservative.

In this town, there were plenty of redneck Republicans, and many who were just Republicans, yes there is a difference, go ahead and bash me for using redneck. Anyway, I was one of few outspoken very liberal people. I took to wearing a t-shirt from a band named Anti-Flag, which depicted President Bush with "international terrorist" across his head, and on the back had a protester holding up a sign that said, "Bush=Killer." For wearing that shirt, I took plenty of shit from fellow students. I was active in getting out the vote for Kerry/Edwards, etc. as a high schooler.

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As for Democrats this time around claiming that they'll vote for the Republican over the Democratic candidate they don't support, I think it's preposterous, and to be honest, I highly doubt any of those people will keep their word. I will personally be voting for either Hillary or Obama, whoever gets the nomination, though I am an Obama supporter. To be fair, I have said that if any Republican had to get into office, I would rather it's McCain (despite his insane 100 years in Iraq policy) because he's the Republican that scares me the least. But, be certain that come October, I'll be working for the Democrats non-stop.
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No. I'd say that they're usually stupid.

My general impression of most countries is that the average citizen is generally of below average intelligence and reasoning, and is just as apt to hysteria as "the Americans."

One lovely advantage that many governments are able to employ is that the U.S. is a wonderful target to scapegoat and deflect criticism. I'd like to see Canadians less concerned about the U.S., which they can't control, and more concerned about the fact that you have four major political parties...

1) Two of which have no chance of ever winning.
2) Two of which do, but are consistently ineffectual.

Or how about the state of Canadian capitalism? I'm embarrassed over your cell phone companies and banks. I'm shocked to see high prices for few minutes and things like "voice mail" are still charged separately (!), not to mention that your banks charge an average of $12 a month just have a checking account open. We may not be perfect, but we pay considerably less for most everything here than you do there, even if we consider the PST/GST difference. Hell, for such a large oil producer, how the hell do you end up paying at least $1 a gallon more than the U.S. at any given moment?

Take my advice. We have plenty of American citizens concerned about our presidency and the state of our government. I'd say that you're better off directing this energy to battling the deep-seated problems that are in Canada, and getting other Canadians concerned too. No country is perfect, after all.
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I'd like to see Canadians less concerned about the U.S., which they can't control, and more concerned about the fact that you have four major political parties...

1) Two of which have no chance of ever winning.
2) Two of which do, but are consistently ineffectual.
I'm assuming you are counting the BQ as a major party which would be silly given that they are actually not a national party so of course they have no chance of getting elected. That isn't their goal anyway.

As for the ineffectual governing, that's pretty much true here, and probably everywhere else. You sometimes see some decent stuff done by a government in the majority, but usually it's the same old tired business (especially since one of our parties seems to be entitled to long runs and serves as the default).

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I'm shocked to see high prices for few minutes and things like "voice mail" are still charged separately (!), not to mention that your banks charge an average of $12 a month just have a checking account open.
I really have no idea what this is about since I pay nothing for my chequing account and I don't know anyone who does.

I'd venture a guess that the cell phone thing is probably true, although I have no idea about that either since I'm on a corporate plan and don't ever really think about the minutes. My brother pays $35/month for 200 daytime, unlimited evenings after 6 pm and unlimited weekends. This includes the other mandatory charges too. I don't know if this is a good deal compared to the US though.

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Hell, for such a large oil producer, how the hell do you end up paying at least $1 a gallon more than the U.S. at any given moment?
To be fair, NAFTA sucks ass for Canadians when it comes to oil and the major beneficiary of that deal was the US, per usual. This is why I can't actually believe that either Dem candidate would bring it up, because frankly we'd WANT to re-negotiate and there is not a chance in hell that the Americans would agree to any of it given how patently unfair the current version is.

As an aside, I do wish Harry would give it a rest, because half of what he says has me embarrassed on his and my behalf.
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I really have no idea what this is about since I pay nothing for my chequing account and I don't know anyone who does.
What bank do you use? I've priced out all your major banks--RBC, TD, Scotiabank, BMO, and CIBC--and every checking account states that it costs from $9 (Scotiabank) to around $12 (the rest) a month, just to have one open. And, yes, of the Canadians I know, they all pay it too.

Or do you carry the minimum balance to avoid the fees? Most of our checking accounts these days require no minimum balance at all.

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To be fair, NAFTA sucks ass for Canadians when it comes to oil and the major beneficiary of that deal was the US, per usual. This is why I can't actually believe that either Dem candidate would bring it up, because frankly we'd WANT to re-negotiate and there is not a chance in hell that the Americans would agree to any of it given how patently unfair the current version is.
I can't see entirely how NAFTA can be blamed here. Gas prices have been consistently much higher in Canada than in the U.S. for as long as I can remember...which predates NAFTA.
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What bank do you use? I've priced out all your major banks--RBC, TD, Scotiabank, BMO, and CIBC--and every checking account states that it costs from $9 (Scotiabank) to around $12 (the rest) a month, just to have one open. And, yes, of the Canadians I know, they all pay it too.

Or do you carry the minimum balance to avoid the fees? Most of our checking accounts these days require no minimum balance at all.
I have TD. In the past I've had two types of accounts. The student account I had did not have any fees of any sort. The regular account (which I have now) requires me to keep a $1000 balance for the purpose of withdrawing $ from the debit machine. Without the minimum balance, I'm allowed 5 transactions per month and after that there is some sort of fee, I can't remember if it's $5 or $7 for unlimited usage. I have never had less than that in my account so I've never had to pay a fee. But that fee had nothing to do with my chequeing account. Neither my roommate, nor my parents, nor my brother pay any kind of chequing fee either, so this is really surprising to me to hear.
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I'd venture a guess that the cell phone thing is probably true, although I have no idea about that either since I'm on a corporate plan and don't ever really think about the minutes. My brother pays $35/month for 200 daytime, unlimited evenings after 6 pm and unlimited weekends. This includes the other mandatory charges too. I don't know if this is a good deal compared to the US though.
Our plans, on average, are around 450 daytime minutes, unlimited evenings and weekends after 9 pm, including voicemail, caller ID, nationwide long distance and roaming included for $39.99. Include taxes, and it ramps up to about $45 or so.

I'm on a legacy AT&T Wireless plan, where I had no extra charges Canadian long distance and roaming included for $10 more a month. My Canadian friends, on the other hand, pay more and get roaming charges the minute they leave the GTA.
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