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Old 03-02-2007, 11:16 PM   #21
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And with regards to Ann Coulter, I find her existence to actually be useful: if anyone actually takes her seriously and agrees with her, you can very easily just write off what they say and not bother wasting your time listening to them! Quick way to identify idiots, in other words, and from the original post, it seems Romney is evidently quite an idiot.
Good point, she is an excellent barometer for stupidity.
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When I was in high school, I used to say really liberal and mean stuff (ie, im pro choice, im pro gay marriage, the pope is disposable because if he dies they'll just "hire" a new pope and all will be well, etc. You have to remember here and Honduras people are a lot more close minded) just to get a rise out of my classmates.
I agree a certain point with the rest of your post, but you still ignore the power of words overall.

But I'm a little confused about this part above... Why are you grouping "liberal" and "mean"?
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Words are powerful only to an extent. Depends on where they come from and who is listening. If people ignore Ann Coulter except her base and she finds that she isn't getting a rise out of her enemy, she loses her effectiveness and power. The more media coverage and attention she gets, the more powerful she becomes.

Ann Coulter is a nobody who is still trying to make a buck off 9/11.

I ignore a lot of people whose words mean nothing to me because I do not value or respect their opinion so their words mean nothing. It took a lifetime of discrimination from small minded idiots to come to that realization. And upon doing so, they have no control over me or my life.
I agree, like I said, she's a boil, but she obviously still has a pretty big fanbase. So what do we do, to make them realize and ignore her? Because until that happens, they are still powerful.
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It wasn't really grouping the words.

It's rather that in the eyes of the classmates those were mean things.
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You're right. Shame on him. He was suppossed to know what words were going to be used before showing up.
this isnt the first time this woman has been using such words in public, is it?
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Re: Ann Coulter calls John Edwards a "faggot"

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Ann Coulter referred to Senator John Edwards as a "faggot".
Real rich from someone who looks like a shemale.
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I think it's almost as evil that Romney said hearing from her is a good thing. But I'm not surprised at all that he said that, as sad as it is to say. Actually it's more evil, because we already expect crap like that from Coulter.
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But I'm a little confused about this part above... Why are you grouping "liberal" and "mean"?
I used mean stuff to say and liberal stuff to say and they both got my classmates riled up.

To be honest, I didn't quite figure out what words to use when I posted that... (English is my second language and sometimes it shows. )
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One day, I think fairly soon, Ann Coulter is going to fall hard, and she's going to have to go on the Surreal Life and live with Howard K. Stern to make a buck, and it's going to be beautiful.
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I agree, like I said, she's a boil, but she obviously still has a pretty big fanbase. So what do we do, to make them realize and ignore her? Because until that happens, they are still powerful.
Sadly, I don't believe there is anything you can do. People who have certain beliefs and values are unlikely to change unless something intense happens in their personal lives.

Her supporters would probably view you as a scumbag (no offense) and anything you suggest as just lies and propaganda. It would be like talking to a wall. I don't think most of her supporters are willing to accept a different POV. As we have seen in this forum, it is rare to see someone change their views on big issues. No one likes to admit they are wrong, on either side of a topic. Yep, they are powerful but that's the way it is. I am certain she has been running around saying moronic things for the past few years but thankfully this is the first time I have heard about her in a long long time. I don't seek out her wisdom and thankfully, mainstream media up here barely knows who she is except for that Fifth Estate interview.

That segment of society will never disappear and engaging in a debate with some people is pointless. So I agree her words probably resonate with some people but so be it. My comment on words was that after years of trying to understand why I was being called a chink by people, I realized that those people are assholes. So why should I fret over what they said about me since they have teeny tiny minds and thus what they say has no weight. I pity these people and their families for such ignorance.

So certain words used by certain people are expected and really mean nothing cause it's their nature. Similar to your view of the KKK's definition of the N-word. I engage with people who display intolerance but just express my views and don't bother to waste my time trying to turn shit into gold if they don't get it. I gotta better things to do in my life.
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I believe that Ann Coulter sees herself as a kind of "political comedienne," not all that different from someone like Bill Maher (and I think that's really why Maher and Coulter get along in real life).

So I'd say that there are probably two things that you can do:

1) Try to keep this "humor" aspect in mind, just as we wish conservatives would keep this in mind when dealing with Michael Moore.

2) Dish out the "humor" right back at her, where appropriate. I mean, if Coulter is questioning Edwards' manliness, then you could very easily crack jokes about Ann Coulter's penis.
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English is my second language and sometimes it shows.
Actually you're pretty damn good, and put us Americans to shame...
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English is my second language and sometimes it shows.
I'm often surprised at how fluent ESL speakers/writers are, and it's often out of a personal jealousy. I wish I could be fluent at another language, and even though I studied French for over years and can read it fairly competently, my speech skills have become incredibly atrocious.

But even at that, a friend of mine lived in France for a year and never needed to become fluent in French. Everyone he dealt with spoke English!

I know that some people out there complain that "Americans" never bother to learn another language, and so that makes them seem "insular." It's probably true to a point, but, on the other hand, "second languages" are merely for our own amusement here, for the most part. I don't think that many people become fluent with a foreign language, unless they "have to" use it. English speakers only really have to master their own language to deal with global travel and business. Then, on top of it, there come the question of "which language" to study? Is it Spanish? French? Mandarin Chinese? Japanese? And I think that's why many of us fail at becoming fluent second language learners--because there's no real imperative to do so.

Anyway, I'm rambling, I guess.
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^My tour guide in Australia, with whom I and my travel mate did the trip to Kangaroo Island, told about how he tried to learn other languages, like German and some Asian languages, but the problem was everytime he was in Asia he wanted to use that language to learn it, but the people there always spoke English with him to learn English, and to show him how much they already learned. So I can understand that it is especially difficult for English speakers to learn another language.

Ann Coulter is one of those people that only matter in their home country. Every country has heaps of people that are very well known and pseudo-important, to their own country. But abroad nobody cares at all.


Ann Coulter is a very ignorant person that seems to be incapable of any serious intellectual debate.
So she uses this provocative language to make people listen, and to disguise her stupidity. People who follow her are at least as stupid as herself, and it's really hard to speak to them and actually get them realize that they are going nowhere with this attitude.

Here in Germany we are paying millions for projects to try to get people out of the neo-nazi scene. And it's really hard to get people realise what garbage they are believing.
People that follow Ann Coulter are probably as convinced of what she is talking about.

It's something we here in Germany watch with a bit of fear how those people get this attention, and also how the previous election campaigns were "fought".
Here the last election campaign was not that much blackmailing, but especially the CDU was only pointing out what the SPD is doing wrong. They didn't give a single proposal on what they would do, but always reminded the people of how wrong the SPD and the Greens are.

But in the USA it's already a step further by making up or digging for every tiny piece of wrongdoing to blackmailing and destryoing the, literally, enemy.
We also have politicians that really don't like each other, but at least they have some respect for the other person.
With some in the US all the respect seems to have left the room. It looks like they are one step from killing each other. And the election campaigns don't tell the voter what one is going to do, but what a "piece of crap" the other guy is. That's such a low level fifth grader would make for a better debate.

Especially in times where the soldiers get sent all over the world and the threats, if real or not, become a serious issue for not only the US, but the entire globe (which doesn't really matter) people should speak with each other, listen to the next one, and try to find solutions that work. The liberals, or anti-war people are not the enemy, neither the conservatives or pro-war people.

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I believe that Ann Coulter sees herself as a kind of "political comedienne," not all that different from someone like Bill Maher (and I think that's really why Maher and Coulter get along in real life).

But Bill Maher is actually funny.
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Yes, and he doesn't show hate for people.
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It's shocking what conservatism has become in the USA.

Actually It's not what conservatism has become, it's what nazism is.

These people have nothing to do with conservatism.


Edit: Ah, I see that Vincent Vega has already made a similar point.
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WASHINGTON — Three of the leading Republican presidential candidates on Saturday denounced one of their party’s best-known conservative commentators for using an antigay epithet when discussing a Democratic presidential contender at a gathering of conservatives here. The remarks by Ann Coulter, an author who regularly speaks at conservative events, were sharply denounced by the candidates, Senator John McCain of Arizona, Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts. Their statements came after Democrats, gay rights groups and bloggers raised a storm of protest over the remarks.
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Ms. Coulter, asked for a reaction to the Republican criticism, said in an e-mail message: “C’mon, it was a joke. I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards. That would be mean.” At the conference, she said she was likely to support Mr. Romney.

The criticisms by the Republican candidates put them in a difficult position because the Conservative Political Action Conference has been a gathering for conservative and Republican leaders for over 25 years. The speakers this year included Vice President Dick Cheney and most of the presidential candidates, whose presence suggested the political influence the group holds in the party’s nominating process. Mr. Cheney was not at the event on Friday.

Of the major Republican candidates, only Mr. McCain did not attend, but he denounced her remarks on Saturday morning. “The comments were wildly inappropriate,” said his spokesman, Brian Jones.

Mr. Giuliani said, “The comments were completely inappropriate and there should be no place for such name-calling in political debate.”

Kevin Madden, a spokesman for Mr. Romney, said: “It was an offensive remark. Governor Romney believes all people should be treated with dignity and respect.” Mr. Romney preceded Ms. Coulter at the event and mentioned that she was speaking later — he jokingly referred to her as a “moderate.” But he was not in the room when she spoke, Mr. Madden said.
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