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Old 04-08-2008, 10:52 AM   #81
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You're clueless.
So quick run for a personal attack, uh?
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So quick run for a personal attack, uh?
So the Dalai Lama authorized the protest in Paris?
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The protests of the Olympic torch carriers are asinine.


And this is not helping solve the issues in Tibet.
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As thousands of pro-Tibet protesters cut short the Olympic torch relay Monday in Paris, a new Zogby Interactive poll finds 70% of likely voters believe the International Olympic Committee was wrong to award this year’s summer Olympic Games to China because of its poor record on human rights. Dissatisfaction with the IOC’s choice is strong across the political spectrum, with 70% of Democrats and Republicans, and 68% of political independents who said they disagree with the decision to have China host the summer games. A Zogby Interactive poll conducted in May 2007 found 44% had a favorable opinion of the IOC’s decision to award the 2008 Summer Olympic Games to China, while 39% viewed the decision unfavorably.
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the percentage will most likely go higher

Hillary noticed and made her statement this morning

let's not forget that W had a 90% plus rating at one time


there is nothing new here

all these facts were known when the games were awarded

to include politics with the Olympics is the wrong thing to do


I do remember first hand the 1980 boycott of the Moscow Olympics because of the Soviets involvement in Afghanistan,

I also remember very well, the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics I attended the opening and about 20 different events

There was an Eastern Bloc boycott in response to the 1980 boycott


I realized then after 80 and 84,
that boycotts and politics were counter productive after the games were awarded.

Each host country will have its own set of issues that others will consider unacceptable.

Will every Olympics have to be disrupted?

or is it better to leave the political fights to the proper venue and not punish athletes and damage this positive event.

the original games, I believe went on in times of war, the enemies would take a break and compete.

Gamesmanship should be on the field not in the streets.
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The Olympics were brought back as a way to bridge the divide between nations, and foster a sense of belonging, so yes, for better or worse politics will always be tied to this event.

And anyone denying that the Tibetan culture and religion are being slowly wiped out are kidding themselves, or believing what much of the Chinese media wants you to believe. For those who are interested, you should check out a great Canadian documentary called "What Remains of Us", which was shot with hidden cameras inside Tibet.
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Jimmy Carter calls for U.S. boycott of Moscow Olympics

On January 20, 1980, in protest of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, President Jimmy Carter announced that U.S. athletes would not attend the Summer Olympic Games in Moscow unless Soviet forces... On January 20, 1980, in protest of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, President Jimmy Carter announced that U.S. athletes would not attend the Summer Olympic Games in Moscow unless Soviet forces withdrew from Afghanistan by February 20. The arrival of the deadline coincided with the Winter Olympics in Lake Placid, New York, where events, such as the amateur U.S. hockey team's ''Miracle on Ice'' victory over the Soviet super-team, demonstrated the undeniable propaganda potential of the Olympics. On April 22, with the Soviet military presence in Afghanistan only increasing, the U.S. Olympic Committee voted 1,604 to 797 to support Carter and boycott the Moscow Games. The next day, a number of disappointed U.S. athletes and coaches filed a class action suit to block the boycott, but the suit was dismissed in mid-May. Forty-four other nations eventually joined the United States in refusing to send their athletes to the Moscow Games, which carried on without the presence of many of the world's greatest athletes.
I do remember enthusiastically supporting this.

It probably had something like 90+% popular support.


It was stupid.

It only devastated many young athletes dreams.

It did nothing to get the Soviets out of Afghanistan.
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It was stupid.

It only devastated many young athletes dreams.

It did nothing to get the Soviets out of Afghanistan.
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/\ could that be somebody that remembers 1980 and 1984


I do recall when Carter told those Soviets
if you don't leave Afghanistan by XYZ we will boycott Moscow 1980 Olympics

being a young lad that hated those Commies and loved the Afghan freedom fighters, I was all gung ho on that boycott.

well, guess what

it worked, the Soviets pulled right out of Afghanistan lickedy split.

Carter was re-elected
and the Communist behaved themselves everafter
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an Olympic boycott wouldn't solve anything but it would at least be a strong sign

boycotting the opening ceremony is - IMO - quite hypocritical
it's an empty action

the people protesting the olympic torch being carried through the world ........... i don't get them at all
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So the Dalai Lama authorized the protest in Paris?
Did he blamed the use of violence? Or he just selective-blind to certain things?
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the percentage will most likely go higher

Hillary noticed and made her statement this morning

let's not forget that W had a 90% plus rating at one time


100% agree. For politicans, we don't expect too much, do we?

One of the most hilarious comment I read in a Chinese student's forum in Germany, was "How long since Bill f**ked her last time?"

I guess human beings tend to show out the cruel side when it comes to politics.
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In Paris.





The girl who was carring the torch was sitting on her wheelchair, she's an athlete with only one leg. The guy in the white shirt is an athlete too, and he's blind.

I guess that's the peaceful protest that Dalai Lama was referring to.
this can't be what goebbles invisioned for the olympic torch relay
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A lot of the politicians calling for a boycott of the opening ceremony voted to invade Iraq - how hypocritical. Anything to deflect attention from Iraq I guess.
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I guess that's the peaceful protest that Dalai Lama was referring to.
The Dalai Lama did not instruct that protestor to do that. To suggest this is all the Lama's doing is extremely foolish and misguided.
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The Dalai Lama did not instruct that protestor to do that. To suggest this is all the Lama's doing is extremely foolish and misguided.
If he did not instruct protesters to do so, then this is a sign that things are getting out of his hand.
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Or a sign that the Chinese policy on Tibet is out of hand.
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Or a sign that the Chinese policy on Tibet is out of hand.
Only if the protesters are real tibetan people.

Some student witness said in quite a few European cities, people are payed to protest for pro-Tibet, for the Olympic torch grabbing, 300 euro.
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Only if the protesters are real tibetan people.
Um, no, not really. You do not have to be one of the people being persecuted to realize something is going wrong.
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I wonder how many protesters wear made in china shirts, use made in china car parts and own made in china electronics.


Boycot that kind of stuff and you can make a fist. It is a kind of hypocrite to attack a runner whit a flame and want to boycot a sports event and do politics over the backs off sportsmen.


When the Olympics got to peking, everyone knew about the human rights politics of China.


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this post is made by Rono ( on Abel's computer )
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I wonder how many protesters wear made in china shirts, use made in china car parts and own made in china electronics.
Good point, and what isn't these days? If the US is truly serious about the human rights issue shouldn't they boycott all of those products too? I guess we can't because we'd be left with almost nothing.
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